unit markings

Bmax · 06-04-2023, 07:48 AM

hello,

my 1939 luger has this unit marking S.A.4.K.19. what does it mean?

thank you

Doubs · 06-04-2023, 12:18 PM

Using Jeff Noll's fine book on Imperial German Regimental Markings, it would translate as follows: Feldsignal-Abteilung, Kompagnie 4, Waffen 19 or Field Signal Detachment, Company 4, Weapon number 19

However, those are WW1 Imperial German Army unit markings and are out of place on a 1939 Mauser. It would seem that you have a Luger with a WW1 era frame and later upper; at least the toggle train. Clear, detailed pictures of both sides and top of your Luger would help to determine exactly what you have.

Bmax · 06-07-2023, 01:18 PM

hi,

i did my best with the pictures, in german we would say "er hat sich stets bemüht.."
i am surprised, the shop i bought the gun years ago, said that it was a ww2 gun an all numbers except the grips and sideplate matching.

i use the gun weekly on the shooting range with only two mechanical fails, broken extractor?(auszieher) and broken firing pin ( ~7k rounds)

grüße

Doubs · 06-07-2023, 01:28 PM

Bmax, from your pictures it looks as if the front of the frame has been ground to remove the original serial number and a new one stamped. There is also an "X" on the left side of the receiver that possibly indicates this was what is commonly referred to as a "Russian Capture" Luger. It's a nice looking Luger and should be a fine shooter.

PolishX · 06-11-2023, 11:18 PM

If it was used in police service S.A. is Aurich District Schupo but that the markings consistent with the 1932 Schupo marking guide says the 4 should be a roman numeral

06-04-2023, 07:48 AM	#1
Bmax New User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Germany Posts: 4 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	unit markings hello, my 1939 luger has this unit marking S.A.4.K.19. what does it mean? thank you Attached Thumbnails

06-07-2023, 01:18 PM	#3
Bmax New User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Germany Posts: 4 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hi, i did my best with the pictures, in german we would say "er hat sich stets bemüht.." i am surprised, the shop i bought the gun years ago, said that it was a ww2 gun an all numbers except the grips and sideplate matching. i use the gun weekly on the shooting range with only two mechanical fails, broken extractor?(auszieher) and broken firing pin ( ~7k rounds) grüße Attached Thumbnails

06-04-2023, 12:18 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,679 Times in 552 Posts	Using Jeff Noll's fine book on Imperial German Regimental Markings, it would translate as follows: Feldsignal-Abteilung, Kompagnie 4, Waffen 19 or Field Signal Detachment, Company 4, Weapon number 19 However, those are WW1 Imperial German Army unit markings and are out of place on a 1939 Mauser. It would seem that you have a Luger with a WW1 era frame and later upper; at least the toggle train. Clear, detailed pictures of both sides and top of your Luger would help to determine exactly what you have.

06-07-2023, 01:28 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,696 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,679 Times in 552 Posts	Bmax, from your pictures it looks as if the front of the frame has been ground to remove the original serial number and a new one stamped. There is also an "X" on the left side of the receiver that possibly indicates this was what is commonly referred to as a "Russian Capture" Luger. It's a nice looking Luger and should be a fine shooter.

06-11-2023, 11:18 PM	#5
PolishX User Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Wasilla Alaska Posts: 20 Thanks: 21 Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts	If it was used in police service S.A. is Aurich District Schupo but that the markings consistent with the 1932 Schupo marking guide says the 4 should be a roman numeral