Grip Pics for Norm

Ron Wood · 05-06-2007, 11:43 PM

In the "Need info on a Portuguese Luger" thread, Norm asked for photos of 1900, 1906 and 1908 grips. I'm glad that Norm raised this topic because I am sure there are lots of new folks that aren't aware of the basic differences between "Old Model", "New Model" and grip safety vs. non-grip safety grips. So here are the photos Norm requested:

Lugerdoc · 05-07-2007, 10:09 AM

Ron, Exc photos of the inside of these grips. You might also note the the checkering become courser after 1913 when the rear of the PO8 grips were extended to line up with the added stock lug. TH

erndog105 · 05-07-2007, 11:30 PM

Regarding the 1900, would they look the same for a 1900 AE Test?

Ron Wood · 05-08-2007, 12:23 AM

Yes. A 1900 is a 1900, it doesn't matter what is on the chamber. The type of grip is determined by the configuration of the mainspring, and all 1900s have a flat mainspring.

After I posted this answer, I realized that the question that was being asked may not have been about the physical configuration of the grips but the markings. The purpose of the photos is to show how the grips are machined...the markings are another topic entirely.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-08-2007, 12:00 PM

Ron, Excellent photography! Good lesson for my archives too. Thanks, Jerry
Burney

MFC · 05-09-2007, 12:35 AM

Thanks Ron,
This should be a sticky.
Mike C.

wlyon · 05-09-2007, 02:06 PM

As usual excellent information from the Master. Thanks. Bill

ViggoG · 05-19-2007, 06:18 AM

Ron,
Would it be too imposing to ask for the addition of photos of the external surface to show the finish quality over the few years as mass production increased at he cost of material and finish, Which appears to me to be quite evident as to grain quality and density and course tool marks remaining on the finished products?

ViggoG

Tomathvl · 05-19-2007, 10:48 AM

Ron,
Excellent photos of the grips. However,for comparison purposes, If the grips were positioned next to each other it would made comparison much easier. i.e. all three right grips next to each other and left grips next to each other so you don't have to scroll up and down looking at each detail.
Tom

Ron Wood · 05-19-2007, 11:09 AM

Can do guys, but not for a week or so. We're currently visiting our son in Boulder, CO, so I am away from my photo set up and graphics programs.

Pete Ebbink · 05-19-2007, 01:13 PM

Tom,

I sent you a composite of Ron's grip photos...rights and lefts side-by-side.

You can post it up if you like...

Edward Tinker · 05-19-2007, 04:17 PM

a poor atempt...

Big Norm · 06-08-2007, 05:17 AM

Ron,
thank you for the great pictures. If I ever break out that digital camera that I got myself for Christmas, I'll run out to your neck of the woods to learn how to do your high caliber of work. Now about your theory regarding the different sizes of the numbers on the bottom of the Borchardt magazines...just kidding.

I do see the difference on the right grip of the 1900 vs the 1906. The left grip is pretty closely the same except for the very top, just above the cut out for the magazine release button. Is the view of the 1900 showing that wood has been removed in that area or is that camera lighting? I guess that what I am asking is the left grip the same for the 1900 and the 1906?

Now the opposite is true between the 1906 and 1908 in that the right grips look identical. But the left grips are different as would be expected given the removal of the grip safety and maybe a change in the thumb safety.

I guess that I will have to take a 1900 and a 1906 apart to really see why these changes were done. I will also take an Ideal set of grips to see how they compensated the metal back plate for the difference between the 1900 and the 1906, if there was an adjustment at all.

Thanks Ron for the pictures and thank you Ed for the composite. Both you guys did yourselves proud.

Big Norm

aldo35 · 11-18-2010, 02:18 PM

Hi,
I have a 1906 Am Eagle and would like to purchase replacement grips for it. Can you recommend a source? I have been watching GunbrokerAuction and haven't found any.
Aldo35

MFC · 11-18-2010, 03:41 PM

Joseph,
First try Tom Heller (Lugerdoc) for an original set of M1900 grips. If he doesn't have any, you might consider Hugh Clark, our resident Gripmeister. He can inlet/cut a pair of 1908 grips to fit the M1900 or M1906 w/grip safety.

John Sabato · 11-18-2010, 05:27 PM

WOW... good to hear from you Big Norm! Been a long time since you posted!

If my memory serves me correctly (and this might be doubtful)...You got that hi-tech digital camera FOUR years ago...

it's about time to break out the manual and read it, eh?

We are all looking forward to the photos of your collection! I think we have been waitng for about a decade!

Kind regards,

-John S

Edward Tinker · 11-19-2010, 04:19 AM

John, I email Big Norm every week or so.

And you should look at the time stamp, this entire thread is from 2007...

Ed

John Sabato · 11-19-2010, 12:05 PM

HA HA! I only looked at the date/time stamps for the last couple of postings...

Norm has a handle on Navy's and Artillery's but he has always declared himself and techno-neophyte... I was just pulling his chain.

Pistol · 08-02-2017, 12:28 AM

Here is the grip info from Ron Wood. I knew I saw this somewhere. Thanks to Ron for this informative post.

tudorbug · 08-02-2017, 11:06 AM

Good work, Ron! Wish I could contribute to this form equally well.

Thank you, David

05-06-2007, 11:43 PM	#1
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Grip Pics for Norm In the "Need info on a Portuguese Luger" thread, Norm asked for photos of 1900, 1906 and 1908 grips. I'm glad that Norm raised this topic because I am sure there are lots of new folks that aren't aware of the basic differences between "Old Model", "New Model" and grip safety vs. non-grip safety grips. So here are the photos Norm requested: __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-07-2007, 10:09 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ron, Exc photos of the inside of these grips. You might also note the the checkering become courser after 1913 when the rear of the PO8 grips were extended to line up with the added stock lug. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-08-2007, 12:23 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Yes. A 1900 is a 1900, it doesn't matter what is on the chamber. The type of grip is determined by the configuration of the mainspring, and all 1900s have a flat mainspring. After I posted this answer, I realized that the question that was being asked may not have been about the physical configuration of the grips but the markings. The purpose of the photos is to show how the grips are machined...the markings are another topic entirely. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-08-2007, 12:00 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,926 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ron, Excellent photography! Good lesson for my archives too. Thanks, Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-09-2007, 12:35 AM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks Ron, This should be a sticky. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

05-07-2007, 11:30 PM	#3
erndog105 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Regarding the 1900, would they look the same for a 1900 AE Test?

05-09-2007, 02:06 PM	#7
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,633 Thanks: 3,173 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	As usual excellent information from the Master. Thanks. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-19-2007, 06:18 AM	#8
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Quality degradition Ron, Would it be too imposing to ask for the addition of photos of the external surface to show the finish quality over the few years as mass production increased at he cost of material and finish, Which appears to me to be quite evident as to grain quality and density and course tool marks remaining on the finished products? ViggoG

05-19-2007, 10:48 AM	#9
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Biting the hand Ron, Excellent photos of the grips. However,for comparison purposes, If the grips were positioned next to each other it would made comparison much easier. i.e. all three right grips next to each other and left grips next to each other so you don't have to scroll up and down looking at each detail. Tom

05-19-2007, 11:09 AM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Can do guys, but not for a week or so. We're currently visiting our son in Boulder, CO, so I am away from my photo set up and graphics programs. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-19-2007, 01:13 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Tom, I sent you a composite of Ron's grip photos...rights and lefts side-by-side. You can post it up if you like...

05-19-2007, 04:17 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	a poor atempt... Attached Thumbnails

06-08-2007, 05:17 AM	#13
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Ron, thank you for the great pictures. If I ever break out that digital camera that I got myself for Christmas, I'll run out to your neck of the woods to learn how to do your high caliber of work. Now about your theory regarding the different sizes of the numbers on the bottom of the Borchardt magazines...just kidding. I do see the difference on the right grip of the 1900 vs the 1906. The left grip is pretty closely the same except for the very top, just above the cut out for the magazine release button. Is the view of the 1900 showing that wood has been removed in that area or is that camera lighting? I guess that what I am asking is the left grip the same for the 1900 and the 1906? Now the opposite is true between the 1906 and 1908 in that the right grips look identical. But the left grips are different as would be expected given the removal of the grip safety and maybe a change in the thumb safety. I guess that I will have to take a 1900 and a 1906 apart to really see why these changes were done. I will also take an Ideal set of grips to see how they compensated the metal back plate for the difference between the 1900 and the 1906, if there was an adjustment at all. Thanks Ron for the pictures and thank you Ed for the composite. Both you guys did yourselves proud. Big Norm

11-18-2010, 02:18 PM	#14
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,215 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Hi, I have a 1906 Am Eagle and would like to purchase replacement grips for it. Can you recommend a source? I have been watching GunbrokerAuction and haven't found any. Aldo35

11-18-2010, 03:41 PM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Joseph, First try Tom Heller (Lugerdoc) for an original set of M1900 grips. If he doesn't have any, you might consider Hugh Clark, our resident Gripmeister. He can inlet/cut a pair of 1908 grips to fit the M1900 or M1906 w/grip safety. __________________ Mike C.

11-18-2010, 05:27 PM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Big Norm is alive! WOW... good to hear from you Big Norm! Been a long time since you posted! If my memory serves me correctly (and this might be doubtful)...You got that hi-tech digital camera FOUR years ago... it's about time to break out the manual and read it, eh? We are all looking forward to the photos of your collection! I think we have been waitng for about a decade! Kind regards, -John S

11-19-2010, 04:19 AM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	John, I email Big Norm every week or so. And you should look at the time stamp, this entire thread is from *2007*... Ed

11-19-2010, 12:05 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	HA HA! I only looked at the date/time stamps for the last couple of postings... Norm has a handle on Navy's and Artillery's but he has always declared himself and techno-neophyte... I was just pulling his chain. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-02-2017, 12:28 AM	#19
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Here is the grip info from Ron Wood. I knew I saw this somewhere. Thanks to Ron for this informative post.

08-02-2017, 11:06 AM	#20
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Good work, Ron! Wish I could contribute to this form equally well. Thank you, David