41 Mauser byf Black Widow

cruizer · 06-02-2016, 07:32 PM

Hi I am looking to buy this rig I am getting a description from PIA's soon but I also would like to get some opinions on it from other collectors with more knowledge. I would like honest opinions on this rig. What I really like is the 2 inspector marks on it 655 and 135. Are these common or not?? Thanks for any opinions you could give me. More pic's of the rig are on their website Ron.

Eugen · 06-02-2016, 08:11 PM

On my 1942 byf black widow there are two 135 stamps. Beyond that I am new at this and can't help you much further. I hope it works out for you.

Btw, I live downstate on the Prairie.

Norme · 06-02-2016, 08:47 PM

Hi Ronald,
I'm not a fan of PIA, to put it mildly, but that said I don't see anything obviously wrong with this rig. The SE/655 SE/135 mixed inspection marked byf 41 is a somewhat rare sub-variation.
Regards, Norm

Edward Tinker · 06-02-2016, 10:03 PM

What description is PIA - Tom going to send you?

I did not click on the link - do a search of PIA (Phoenixinvestmentarms)

I actually get along fine with Tom and bought a Simson from him a number of years ago.

Lots of dealers out there that have byf's - don't buy first thing unless its the perfect one for you then go for it, just be advised that there are lots and lots of lugers in the USA

tharpo · 06-02-2016, 10:07 PM

Jan Still puts the range of the E/655 E/135 variation between 4801 no suffix and 7491 no suffix so this gun #7494 is right above his upper range. The black plastic magazines are correct and the black grips are OK for this Luger variation. Like Norme, I'm a not fan of this seller either.

Sergio Natali · 06-03-2016, 05:15 AM

cruizer

I don't really know in the States, but here the so calld "Black Widows" are probably amont the most common Lugers.
I'm sure you can find plenty of them in the States to choose from.
Don't be in a hurry.

DonVoigt · 06-03-2016, 09:49 AM

Yes, plenty to choose from - just have a look on the Simpson site at the ones for sale.
There are nearly always these late war rigs for sale on auction on line.

A nice rig, but from any of the big dealers, you will be paying a significant premium; in this case maybe more than $500, JMHO.

But a nice looking pistol for sure.

mrerick · 06-03-2016, 10:32 AM

Living in Illinois, you're within a day's drive and back to one of the best collector firearm dealers I know - Bob Simpson in Galesburg, Illinois.

You're also near CheckpointCharlies.com up in Wisconsin.

I'd recommend both of these more local dealers where you could visit and get a good look at Lugers in hand from a well known and trusted dealer.

Marc

Sergio Natali · 06-03-2016, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Living in Illinois, you're within a day's drive and back to one of the best collector firearm dealers I know - Bob Simpson in Galesburg, Illinois.

You're also near CheckpointCharlies.com up in Wisconsin.

I'd recommend both of these more local dealers where you could visit and get a good look at Lugers in hand from a well known and trusted dealer.

Marc

That's a very good advice!

gunnertwo · 06-03-2016, 10:28 PM

Legacy Collectables is another source for nice guns. I've purchased a few from them with positive results. PIA seems to "over hype" their items. YMMV.

G2

Mac Cat · 06-04-2016, 11:40 AM

PIA stages their guns so nicely, but the pricing $$$$$
Simpson's is worth a road trip, if you haven't been in their store!

cruizer · 06-04-2016, 03:22 PM

Hi everyone I want to Thank all of you for your valued comments on this rig. Josef is going to send me the description of the rig when he returns he is out of the country at this time. I have started looking and mailing some of the suggestions that were made. This is why this forum is so valueable to a newbie like me it really gets other ways to look at things. Again Thank you for all the great comments!!!!

Ron.

06-02-2016, 07:32 PM	#1
cruizer User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 32 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	41 Mauser byf Black Widow Hi I am looking to buy this rig I am getting a description from PIA's soon but I also would like to get some opinions on it from other collectors with more knowledge. I would like honest opinions on this rig. What I really like is the 2 inspector marks on it 655 and 135. Are these common or not?? Thanks for any opinions you could give me. More pic's of the rig are on their website Ron. Attached Thumbnails

06-02-2016, 08:11 PM	#2
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 393 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	On my 1942 byf black widow there are two 135 stamps. Beyond that I am new at this and can't help you much further. I hope it works out for you. Btw, I live downstate on the Prairie. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

06-03-2016, 05:15 AM	#6
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	cruizer I don't really know in the States, but here the so calld "Black Widows" are probably amont the most common Lugers. I'm sure you can find plenty of them in the States to choose from. Don't be in a hurry. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

06-03-2016, 10:32 AM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Living in Illinois, you're within a day's drive and back to one of the best collector firearm dealers I know - Bob Simpson in Galesburg, Illinois. You're also near CheckpointCharlies.com up in Wisconsin. I'd recommend both of these more local dealers where you could visit and get a good look at Lugers in hand from a well known and trusted dealer. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-02-2016, 08:47 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Ronald, I'm not a fan of PIA, to put it mildly, but that said I don't see anything obviously wrong with this rig. The SE/655 SE/135 mixed inspection marked byf 41 is a somewhat rare sub-variation. Regards, Norm

06-02-2016, 10:03 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	What description is PIA - Tom going to send you? I did not click on the link - do a search of PIA (Phoenixinvestmentarms) I actually get along fine with Tom and bought a Simson from him a number of years ago. Lots of dealers out there that have byf's - don't buy first thing unless its the perfect one for you then go for it, just be advised that there are lots and lots of lugers in the USA

06-02-2016, 10:07 PM	#5
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	Jan Still puts the range of the E/655 E/135 variation between 4801 no suffix and 7491 no suffix so this gun #7494 is right above his upper range. The black plastic magazines are correct and the black grips are OK for this Luger variation. Like Norme, I'm a not fan of this seller either.

06-03-2016, 09:49 AM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Yes, plenty to choose from - just have a look on the Simpson site at the ones for sale. There are nearly always these late war rigs for sale on auction on line. A nice rig, but from any of the big dealers, you will be paying a significant premium; in this case maybe more than $500, JMHO. But a nice looking pistol for sure. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-03-2016, 10:28 PM	#10
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 824 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Legacy Collectables is another source for nice guns. I've purchased a few from them with positive results. PIA seems to "over hype" their items. YMMV. G2

06-04-2016, 11:40 AM	#11
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,090 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	PIA stages their guns so nicely, but the pricing $$$$$ Simpson's is worth a road trip, if you haven't been in their store!

06-04-2016, 03:22 PM	#12
cruizer User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 32 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts	Hi everyone I want to Thank all of you for your valued comments on this rig. Josef is going to send me the description of the rig when he returns he is out of the country at this time. I have started looking and mailing some of the suggestions that were made. This is why this forum is so valueable to a newbie like me it really gets other ways to look at things. Again Thank you for all the great comments!!!! Ron.