Aside from the HIDEOUS grips...

Zorba · 06-19-2013, 05:17 PM

... what is the expert's consensus on this pistol:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=344911678

mrerick · 06-19-2013, 06:03 PM

Looks like it is a good shooter. If all matching and original finish metal, it's a buy. Barrel might be replaced / refinished. Can't really judge that well.

Add a couple of hundred for a magazine and correct grips, and you're getting close to spending what you would for a medium grade collectable with mismatch magazine...

Marc

alvin · 06-19-2013, 06:37 PM

Just consensus, right?

Put gun's function aside, the grip style on this gun is uncomfortable. But that's personal taste. I guess current owner likes this style, otherwise, the panels would have been replaced for a long time. Who designed this ugly grip??

Zorba · 06-19-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

Who designed this ugly grip??

Beats me - I'm generally all for bling and fancy "stuff" all around, but the grip in question is just fugly! Good as targets though

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Zorba · 06-19-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

Barrel might be replaced / refinished. Can't really judge that well.

Good eye - now that you mention it, I don't see the usual stamp on the left side of same.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-19-2013, 07:25 PM

Consenses for what? Buying a shooter? I guess if that is your aim you must ask if it shoots reliably. Anything after answering that question is secondary.

Edward Tinker · 06-19-2013, 08:30 PM

fake grips have a tendency to look fake

real stag grips I like very much

John Sabato · 06-20-2013, 09:16 AM

These grips look fake to me Ed... can you spell F-R-A-N-Z-I-T-E?

ithacaartist · 06-20-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

These grips look fake to me Ed... can you spell F-R-A-N-Z-I-T-E?

I agree. Bbl. tone different from the rest of the gun. Toggle axle retaining pin appears in the white, properly, so it may be original finish, albeit kinda rough.

Franzite = forget it. Over time, they tend to shrink and warp. Warped grips can be flattened out again with gentle warming and forcing them to cool flat. Shrinkage, and you're screwed (At least I haven't figured out how to stretch them back.). This might explain the displacement/BAD fit of the right grip. I scored a couple pairs, cheap, that looked great in the pics--intact with little wear--but when they arrived, found out why they were inexpensive. Not one of the two pairs fits in a stable manner. These were faux-ivory, but I'd expect the same from any Franzite grip; they are ALL old and presumably shrunken. No wonder they are made from other materials, since!

David Parker

Dick Herman · 06-20-2013, 02:21 PM

In the early 1960s my first Luger is a 1920 commercial that had "stag" Franzite grips and a white plastic mag knob. I thought this was the coolest gun ever. After taking the Luger to the range I realized that the grips would slip and move around when the gun was fired. The grips were quickly replaced with proper wooden grips. A few years ago I found the old Franzite grips that had shrank beyond usage much like the grips displayed on GB.

ithacaartist · 06-20-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Herman

In the early 1960s my first Luger is a 1920 commercial that had "stag" Franzite grips and a white plastic mag knob. I thought this was the coolest gun ever. After taking the Luger to the range I realized that the grips would slip and move around when the gun was fired. The grips were quickly replaced with proper wooden grips. A few years ago I found the old Franzite grips that had shrank beyond usage much like the grips displayed on GB.

Dick,

I might be able to salvage these Franzite potato chips. I'm gonna try to straighten a couple of them first, then add some extra material in the form of epoxy tinted to match the ivory color, so that they'll snuggle properly into the top and be held securely by the screws. They're not far off, dimension-wise, and this just might work. I wonder, just now, if they could be kept in a sealed container for a time with something in it which would cause the Franzite to swell up when/if the mystery solvent/compound is absorbed. Not a lot of hope for this, though... I just want to have some beater grips that will look halfway decent at a glance, and not slip all around while the gun is shot, saving wear and tear on the originals.

D.P.

Arizona Slim · 06-20-2013, 03:47 PM

Considering that this pistol is in need of the proper magazine, a decent pair of walnut grips, and it appears to have a mismatched barrel and possibly the extractor I would think it should be priced more in the $600.00 to $650.00 range, just my two cents. Assuming that it functions properly as Jerry pointed out.

Lon

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Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 951 Thanks: 776 Thanked 526 Times in 289 Posts	Aside from the HIDEOUS grips... ... what is the expert's consensus on this pistol: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=344911678

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,901 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Looks like it is a good shooter. If all matching and original finish metal, it's a buy. Barrel might be replaced / refinished. Can't really judge that well. Add a couple of hundred for a magazine and correct grips, and you're getting close to spending what you would for a medium grade collectable with mismatch magazine... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	fake grips have a tendency to look fake real stag grips I like very much __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	These grips look fake to me Ed... can you spell F-R-A-N-Z-I-T-E? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-19-2013, 06:37 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Just consensus, right? Put gun's function aside, the grip style on this gun is uncomfortable. But that's personal taste. I guess current owner likes this style, otherwise, the panels would have been replaced for a long time. Who designed this ugly grip??

06-20-2013, 02:21 PM	#10
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	In the early 1960s my first Luger is a 1920 commercial that had "stag" Franzite grips and a white plastic mag knob. I thought this was the coolest gun ever. After taking the Luger to the range I realized that the grips would slip and move around when the gun was fired. The grips were quickly replaced with proper wooden grips. A few years ago I found the old Franzite grips that had shrank beyond usage much like the grips displayed on GB.

06-20-2013, 03:47 PM	#12
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Considering that this pistol is in need of the proper magazine, a decent pair of walnut grips, and it appears to have a mismatched barrel and possibly the extractor I would think it should be priced more in the $600.00 to $650.00 range, just my two cents. Assuming that it functions properly as Jerry pointed out. Lon