photos for my 1940 luger with unknown marks

lugerforumnet · 06-18-2004, 03:38 PM

first to see the engraved X on the left side of the receiver

end second hte picture of the bottom of the barrel with markings

hope that you can explain me
best regards
larry

Lugerdoc · 06-18-2004, 11:57 PM

Larry, The "X" on your receiver is a typical Russian surplus mark. The crown and shield on the lug are quite unusual as I've never seen these before, but could have been added by another country post original production. TH

lugerforumnet · 06-19-2004, 04:02 AM

thanks for your explanation, I guess that it's own value is lower than I supposed ?

regards larry

jamese · 06-19-2004, 06:06 AM

Doc,
I like your new image looks great!
Jim

Vlim · 06-19-2004, 10:08 AM

Hi,

This gun is indeed from ex-Eastern-European surplus, imported by Kett and proofed in Western-Germany.

In Koln, to be precise.
IJ are the 1989 proof date.

My VoPo was proofed by the same proof house, in the same year, imported by kett as well.

lugerforumnet · 06-21-2004, 10:14 AM

dear G .van Vlimmeren
could please explain me who or what is Kett and could you value a complete maching numbers luger from 1940 with one magazine with that engraved hand made X.
thanks
larry

Vlim · 06-22-2004, 06:14 PM

Hi,

Kett is (or was, don't know exactly) a German firm that imports and resells surplus handguns. German law required proofing for guns outside the CIP (community of countries which accept each others proofs). German law also required the name of the importer to be struck on the gun.

Value would be somewhere between shooter and collector grade, depending on state and originality. I'd ask some of our more commercially active members to write down a number.

JuergenG · 06-28-2004, 03:56 AM

Do you mean "Kettner" ?
They went out of business and are now back under new ownership - the group which owns Blaser, Sauer & Sohn (formerly SigSauer). Their headquarters is located in Cologne.
www.kettner.de

Vlim · 06-29-2004, 09:38 AM

Hi,

The name Kettner crossed my mind, but I'm unsure whether they'd use 'Kett' as a logo.

Some inquiries about another Kett came up blank.

06-18-2004, 03:38 PM	#1
lugerforumnet User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: france Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	photos for my 1940 luger with unknown marks first to see the engraved X on the left side of the receiver end second hte picture of the bottom of the barrel with markings hope that you can explain me best regards larry

06-18-2004, 11:57 PM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Larry, The "X" on your receiver is a typical Russian surplus mark. The crown and shield on the lug are quite unusual as I've never seen these before, but could have been added by another country post original production. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-19-2004, 06:06 AM	#4
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Doc, I like your new image looks great! Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

06-19-2004, 04:02 AM	#3
lugerforumnet User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: france Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for your explanation, I guess that it's own value is lower than I supposed ? regards larry

06-19-2004, 10:08 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, This gun is indeed from ex-Eastern-European surplus, imported by Kett and proofed in Western-Germany. In Koln, to be precise. IJ are the 1989 proof date. My VoPo was proofed by the same proof house, in the same year, imported by kett as well.

06-21-2004, 10:14 AM	#6
lugerforumnet User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: france Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dear G .van Vlimmeren could please explain me who or what is Kett and could you value a complete maching numbers luger from 1940 with one magazine with that engraved hand made X. thanks larry

06-22-2004, 06:14 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Kett is (or was, don't know exactly) a German firm that imports and resells surplus handguns. German law required proofing for guns outside the CIP (community of countries which accept each others proofs). German law also required the name of the importer to be struck on the gun. Value would be somewhere between shooter and collector grade, depending on state and originality. I'd ask some of our more commercially active members to write down a number.

06-28-2004, 03:56 AM	#8
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Do you mean "Kettner" ? They went out of business and are now back under new ownership - the group which owns Blaser, Sauer & Sohn (formerly SigSauer). Their headquarters is located in Cologne. www.kettner.de

06-29-2004, 09:38 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The name Kettner crossed my mind, but I'm unsure whether they'd use 'Kett' as a logo. Some inquiries about another Kett came up blank.