police magazines..

Edward Tinker · 07-19-2006, 08:03 PM

I was offered four weimar police magazines and one simson magazine. Was told they were mint. They were the most expensive set of magazines I have ever bought, but I took a chance.

Mint, Weimar Police magazines....

THREE (far right) Haenel marked, very sweet mags, one starburst S and the last eagle 6 (right to left)

Dwight Gruber · 07-19-2006, 09:14 PM

Ed,

A very interesting set of magazines. I've seen a couple of the flat-button mags for sale lately, what do you know about them?

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 07-19-2006, 09:49 PM

Last year I bought two just like these from a seller in Canada, both were in very nice shape. Books say they are some of the last luger mags made in the "cadium", although I do not know if they are nickle or cadium plated at all. They appear to be stainless... Let me see if have a magnet around here... So, I believe they were made mid to late 1930's, before they went blue...

All three of the cadium / nickle ones are the same, yet their bases are differenet size stampings (I could not get a good picture. The stylized H for haenel I have been told? Looks the same, the proof per se, while the number stamp for the 1 or 2 and the serial numbers are obviously different stamps...

Ed

policeluger · 07-19-2006, 10:06 PM

any for sale??

Edward Tinker · 07-19-2006, 10:10 PM

howard, I emailed you, they were expensive...

Ed

Lugerdoc · 07-20-2006, 08:13 AM

Ed, Nice find. The size of the serials on HS Police mags will vary quite a bit, as these were numbered to existing police guns by local armours, not at the factory. You "flat button" first issue Schmeisser mags are definately plate (not stainless, as some call them) and were introduced around 1930. TH

drbuster · 07-20-2006, 09:58 AM

Dwight, flat button mags (from the earliest model 1900's without the relieved frame) have gone from $350-500, with the higher end price going for the Swiss bottomed ones. That is, of course, when you can find one!

Dwight Gruber · 07-20-2006, 10:42 AM

Doc,

Note that these are Haenel Schmeisser mags from the late-30s. I took Tom's hint and checked my library (shoulda done that in the first place...), Bender pictures one but doesn't talk about it, Jan Still (Third Reich Lugers pp.171-172) describes it as a feature of the earliest Haenel Schmeisser magazine type. I'd have to guess that they are fairly valuable as an un-common variation.

First time I saw a picture of one, with an online-auction Luger, I thought it might be some kind of aftermarket magazine.

Hmmm, wonder if it would fit an unrelieved 1900 frame?

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 07-20-2006, 11:18 PM

Some "slightly" better pictures of the bases;

nickle sn 7270 sunburst S (this is not one I got the other day, but it had its piccie taken

nickle sn 8125 police 1 sunburst S
Haenel 9426 with stylized H police 1
haenel 6918 stylized H police 2 **in person, it does not look so double stamped on the 1, it is just a huge, poorly stamped 1**
haenel 9454 stylized H police 2

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mags2_002.jpg

07-19-2006, 08:03 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	police magazines.. I was offered four weimar police magazines and one simson magazine. Was told they were mint. They were the most expensive set of magazines I have ever bought, but I took a chance. Mint, Weimar Police magazines.... THREE (far right) Haenel marked, very sweet mags, one starburst S and the last eagle 6 (right to left) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-20-2006, 08:13 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ed, Nice find. The size of the serials on HS Police mags will vary quite a bit, as these were numbered to existing police guns by local armours, not at the factory. You "flat button" first issue Schmeisser mags are definately plate (not stainless, as some call them) and were introduced around 1930. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-19-2006, 09:14 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,894 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,288 Times in 426 Posts	Ed, A very interesting set of magazines. I've seen a couple of the flat-button mags for sale lately, what do you know about them? --Dwight

07-19-2006, 09:49 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Last year I bought two just like these from a seller in Canada, both were in very nice shape. Books say they are some of the last luger mags made in the "cadium", although I do not know if they are nickle or cadium plated at all. They appear to be stainless... Let me see if have a magnet around here... So, I believe they were made mid to late 1930's, before they went blue... All three of the cadium / nickle ones are the same, yet their bases are differenet size stampings (I could not get a good picture. The stylized H for haenel I have been told? Looks the same, the proof per se, while the number stamp for the 1 or 2 and the serial numbers are obviously different stamps... Ed

07-19-2006, 10:06 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	any for sale??

07-19-2006, 10:10 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	howard, I emailed you, they were expensive... Ed

07-20-2006, 09:58 AM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Dwight, flat button mags (from the earliest model 1900's without the relieved frame) have gone from $350-500, with the higher end price going for the Swiss bottomed ones. That is, of course, when you can find one!

07-20-2006, 10:42 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,894 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,288 Times in 426 Posts	Doc, Note that these are Haenel Schmeisser mags from the late-30s. I took Tom's hint and checked my library (shoulda done that in the first place...), Bender pictures one but doesn't talk about it, Jan Still (Third Reich Lugers pp.171-172) describes it as a feature of the earliest Haenel Schmeisser magazine type. I'd have to guess that they are fairly valuable as an un-common variation. First time I saw a picture of one, with an online-auction Luger, I thought it might be some kind of aftermarket magazine. Hmmm, wonder if it would fit an unrelieved 1900 frame? --Dwight

07-20-2006, 11:18 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Some "slightly" better pictures of the bases; nickle sn 7270 sunburst S (this is not one I got the other day, but it had its piccie taken nickle sn 8125 police 1 sunburst S Haenel 9426 with stylized H police 1 haenel 6918 stylized H police 2 in person, it does not look so double stamped on the 1, it is just a huge, poorly stamped 1 haenel 9454 stylized H police 2 http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/mags2_002.jpg