Wiemer military property markings?

Stevie · 01-07-2006, 10:27 PM

I own a 1920 dated DWM P08 4" 9mm. This gun has no unit marks or "made in Germany" markings. She also is proofed with the Weimer dove proofs. I always figured it for a well worn and pitted German Army pistol. It is a gun that was imported a few years back

In front of the doves the pistol has a compact geometric stick eagle. On the left rear of the barrel is another stick eagle that is more eagle looking, with wings and tail feathers. These are not like the Nazi era stick eagles as on my Mauser 42, and are not represented in the Luger proofs in the tech info section.

I tried a picture but the eagles wouldn't show, as the gun is pretty hard used and refinished a time or two.

I know the 1920 date is a sort of property mark. What might the above described stick eagles represent?

Thanx,,Stevie.

Edward Tinker · 01-07-2006, 11:39 PM

do they look like any of these?

Ron Smith · 01-08-2006, 12:20 AM

Stevie,
Dove proofs would indicate that the 1920 is the year of manufacture. Probably not a property mark.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 01-08-2006, 12:27 AM

The stick eagle would be the final proof / acceptance marking if the furthest to the right...

ed

Stevie · 01-08-2006, 12:28 AM

Yes, I guess. Thats my proofs, the doves(proof #31). She also has a similiar or same dove on the top of the barrel and on the left rear breech block. These aren't the "stick eagles" I'm refering to.

From your dove picture; just to the left and slightly lower, is a compact stick eagle. Similiar to but not the same as the second eagle in proof #45. Just dots for head and feet. The barrel proof looks sort of like proof #38. I don't think its the same, but hard to tell as this eagle co-habitates with a patch of rust pits! Also, someone (probably the Russians)gave the gun a light bead blast and reblue.

Edward Tinker · 01-08-2006, 12:31 AM

probably a rework eagle left during the early nazi era or right before....

Stevie · 01-08-2006, 09:34 AM

This gun was probably made in 1920 for sure. It is not double dated, but if you look close you can see the reminants of a previous date over the chamber. I am pretty sure the receiver was a 1918, probably not proofed but dated, they scrubbed the old date and made a 1920 gun out of it.

If I recall, Ron Smith posted some pics of a Wiemer police gun that was quite similiar to this one. I cant remember for sure.

Ron Smith · 01-08-2006, 09:58 AM

Stevie,

These proofs and acceptance marks are unique to 1920 and 1921 production lugers. If yours is so marked with a combination of these marks.
Then it is a 1920 production and not property marked.

Ron

01-07-2006, 10:27 PM	#1
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wiemer military property markings? I own a 1920 dated DWM P08 4" 9mm. This gun has no unit marks or "made in Germany" markings. She also is proofed with the Weimer dove proofs. I always figured it for a well worn and pitted German Army pistol. It is a gun that was imported a few years back In front of the doves the pistol has a compact geometric stick eagle. On the left rear of the barrel is another stick eagle that is more eagle looking, with wings and tail feathers. These are not like the Nazi era stick eagles as on my Mauser 42, and are not represented in the Luger proofs in the tech info section. I tried a picture but the eagles wouldn't show, as the gun is pretty hard used and refinished a time or two. I know the 1920 date is a sort of property mark. What might the above described stick eagles represent? Thanx,,Stevie.

01-07-2006, 11:39 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	do they look like any of these? Attached Images __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-08-2006, 09:58 AM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Stevie, These proofs and acceptance marks are unique to 1920 and 1921 production lugers. If yours is so marked with a combination of these marks. Then it is a 1920 production and not property marked. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-08-2006, 12:20 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Stevie, Dove proofs would indicate that the 1920 is the year of manufacture. Probably not a property mark. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-08-2006, 12:27 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	The stick eagle would be the final proof / acceptance marking if the furthest to the right... ed

01-08-2006, 12:28 AM	#5
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, I guess. Thats my proofs, the doves(proof #31). She also has a similiar or same dove on the top of the barrel and on the left rear breech block. These aren't the "stick eagles" I'm refering to. From your dove picture; just to the left and slightly lower, is a compact stick eagle. Similiar to but not the same as the second eagle in proof #45. Just dots for head and feet. The barrel proof looks sort of like proof #38. I don't think its the same, but hard to tell as this eagle co-habitates with a patch of rust pits! Also, someone (probably the Russians)gave the gun a light bead blast and reblue.

01-08-2006, 12:31 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,930 Thanks: 2,030 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	probably a rework eagle left during the early nazi era or right before....

01-08-2006, 09:34 AM	#7
Stevie User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ok. Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This gun was probably made in 1920 for sure. It is not double dated, but if you look close you can see the reminants of a previous date over the chamber. I am pretty sure the receiver was a 1918, probably not proofed but dated, they scrubbed the old date and made a 1920 gun out of it. If I recall, Ron Smith posted some pics of a Wiemer police gun that was quite similiar to this one. I cant remember for sure.