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Hi All,
A little problem with my shooter 1918 DWM When shooting S&B 115 gr FMJRN which has worked well in the past, the toggle has now locked back and I cannot release it to chamber a round. Magazine is out, gun is empty and still the toggle is back with the chamber open . Barrel is locked back , sideplate can be easily removed but toggle assembly not moving. Has anyone seen this before? Ideas? Hear from you soon I hope Thanks |
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Sounds like a broken hold open. Jammed in the "up" position. Not uncommon, from what I hear.
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Have you removed the grips and looked inside???
Could the takedown lever be holding the receiver back??? Edit: Sounds like Doug is onto it... ![]()
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I pulled the grips, but cannot see What's keeping it open
![]() Takedown lever freely rotates as it should I'llcheck a complete dissasembly YouTube video to get at the hold open? Gave never done that before... |
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Try pushing down on the holdopen as far back as you can (red line points to farthest back I could go). Hold the toggle so it doesn't snap against your dowel or rod, whichever...
It helps if you relieve some of the toggle pressure while pushing the holdopen...
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Well.... I got it!
Hold open is broken, toggle went forward. Then pulled back the toggle again; a piece fell out after pushing down as you said. One side is sheared off. Thanks ![]() I've learned something ![]() Can this gun be shot even without a hold open? I should think so, only the toggle should not lock up after the last round. Please advise? Appreciate your help and your time ![]() Glad this didn't happen with my one collector DWM ![]()
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It can be shot safely. The first issue German Army Lugers did not have a hold open.
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Great!
I appreciate all your help! I can hear the rest of the hold open rattling in there... but I guess that's to be expected. Thanks to all.... |
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Go ahead and remove the remaining parts of the hold open so it doesn't work loose and jam up or damage your action while you are shooting.
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Ok... I'll make an attempt
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There was a similar broken holdopen just a few months ago, IIRC.
Tom Heller, Ed Tinker, Gerry Tomek, or another member with spare parts may be able to offer you a replacement holdopen.
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The metal break surface looks like it has crystallized.
![]() Well... it IS 99 years old! Thanks for the help..... yes I'll contact one of you for a spare holdopen if I cannot get one here. Once again, thanks ![]() Is there any way this can be prevented? Ammunition was certainly not too much- (I hope) S&B 115 gr. FMJRN standard velocity. Or is it a case of "Happens sometimes with an older gun."? "You takes your chances." ? |
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"Go ahead and remove the remaining parts of the hold open so it doesn't work loose and jam up or damage your action while you are shooting."
Well, I removed the rest of the hold open in 1 piece, the little spur has indeed broken off ![]() The little leaf spring is intact... Well, if I had any temptations about shooting my collector 1917 DWM, they're gone now!! |
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Be sure to keep the spring. If you are going to replace the holdopen at some point the replacement will likely come without a spring, and repro holdopen springs do not fit very well. Originals can sometimes be unobtanium.
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Thanks Dwight,
Yes I've kept both pieces including spring. Maybe I'll use it without the hold open...but I would like to replace it... VERY annoying.... Is there any chance I broke it when pushing down on it to free the toggle?? After shooting a round, the toggle locked up and back and did not release after that (also without the magazine) until I pushed out the broken spur. I don't recall hearing it snap. Just trying to learn... Thanks to all for answering all my questions ![]() |
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RS, I do have original Swiss made HOs with spring installed, which will work in your shooter. TH
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Thanks you VERY much Lugerdoc!
I am checking with a Luger collector here in the area, who might have one. If he doesn't have this part, I will be SURE to call on you ![]() My shooter is a 1918 DWM: photos here below: |
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