Pair of Bergmann

NavyLugerLover · 10-03-2006, 07:34 AM

Here are 2 Bergmann Bayard:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...annreduced.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...annreduced.jpg

Hard to find?

John Sabato · 10-03-2006, 09:32 AM

I do not think that Bergmann's are very commonly found for sale. I have only seen one up close in my lifetime... it was owned by a college friend whose grandfather had acquired it, probably in wartime...

John Sabato · 10-03-2006, 09:35 AM

BTW, How about cropping your avatar just a little closer to the items you are displaying and rotating the photo counter clockwise 90 degrees... I think it would fit the postings a little better that way...

NavyLugerLover · 10-03-2006, 10:20 AM

I will try to do so, John!

NavyLugerLover · 10-03-2006, 10:25 AM

It seems better, sorry not to have done this earlier.

NavyLugerLover · 10-03-2006, 10:52 AM

About Bergmanns, one has a waffenamt stampel.

the gunman · 10-03-2006, 11:23 AM

Always wanted to own one of these buggers. never found one I could afford.

John Sabato · 10-03-2006, 11:49 AM

Good job on the avatar...

I always liked the shape of the Bergmann and especially liked the similarity to the Mauser C96 broomhandle, and the forward removeable magazine... Too bad they are not in caliber 9mm Luger... the bergmann ammo is pretty expensive as I recall.

Lugerdoc · 10-03-2006, 01:22 PM

John, The 9mmBB is interchangeable with 9mm Largo, so a lot of surplus ammo is available. For the purist, I do have several 50rd boxes of new boxer primed 9mm BB ammo @$30/box + $5 S&H. TH @ hellerarms@webtv.net

Jan C Still · 10-03-2006, 01:29 PM

The 1910/21 Bergman Bayard with the waffen stamp (E/WaAC6) is rare and demands a premium price (see page 355 and 357 Axis Pistols). What is the serial number? I have serial numbers 2016, 4624, 5972, 6349, 6727, and 9823 reported.
Jan

Brent B. · 10-03-2006, 01:32 PM

Very nice looking pistols. I'm curious, what do these usually go for? Brent B.

var99 · 10-03-2006, 10:27 PM

Depends on the model; over the last six months, i've seen un-modified 1908 in NRA excellent $2k+, the more common 1910/21 at $1.5-1.8K. Haven't seen a Wa stamped one in while.
Joe Salter has a couple of the Danish ones his site, but with import marks. Even so the 1910/21 with holster at 2.5K is a good buy since the holsters are quite rare and sell for 1-1.5K themselves.
Vince

NavyLugerLover · 10-04-2006, 03:41 AM

Numbers are:
3875 and 9449 for the 1910/21 with Eagle/WaaC6 stampel.
No holster for these guns, sorry...

Fabian23 · 10-09-2006, 11:36 AM

I do not own one, but I have a friend who does, and I beg to fire it at every opportunity. They shoot very nicely, the only thing I find is that the magazine is very stiff to take out.

hqbmw · 10-11-2006, 12:50 AM

My 1910/21 S/N is 2358 and is in excellent condition. It is a wonderful shooting firearm. I found a 20 round magazine for it. The mags are very rare and very expensive.

Jack Hiles
Mesa AZ

NavyLugerLover · 10-11-2006, 03:28 AM

I'm looking for a 20 round mag... and some clips (not same as Mauser)

10-03-2006, 07:34 AM	#1
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Pair of Bergmann Here are 2 Bergmann Bayard: http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...annreduced.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...annreduced.jpg Hard to find? __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-03-2006, 09:32 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I do not think that Bergmann's are very commonly found for sale. I have only seen one up close in my lifetime... it was owned by a college friend whose grandfather had acquired it, probably in wartime... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-03-2006, 09:35 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	BTW, How about cropping your avatar just a little closer to the items you are displaying and rotating the photo counter clockwise 90 degrees... I think it would fit the postings a little better that way... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-03-2006, 10:20 AM	#4
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I will try to do so, John! __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-03-2006, 10:25 AM	#5
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	It seems better, sorry not to have done this earlier. __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-03-2006, 10:52 AM	#6
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	About Bergmanns, one has a waffenamt stampel. __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-03-2006, 11:23 AM	#7
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Always wanted to own one of these buggers. never found one I could afford.

10-03-2006, 11:49 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Good job on the avatar... I always liked the shape of the Bergmann and especially liked the similarity to the Mauser C96 broomhandle, and the forward removeable magazine... Too bad they are not in caliber 9mm Luger... the bergmann ammo is pretty expensive as I recall. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-03-2006, 01:22 PM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	John, The 9mmBB is interchangeable with 9mm Largo, so a lot of surplus ammo is available. For the purist, I do have several 50rd boxes of new boxer primed 9mm BB ammo @$30/box + $5 S&H. TH @ hellerarms@webtv.net __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-03-2006, 01:29 PM	#10
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	The 1910/21 Bergman Bayard with the waffen stamp (E/WaAC6) is rare and demands a premium price (see page 355 and 357 Axis Pistols). What is the serial number? I have serial numbers 2016, 4624, 5972, 6349, 6727, and 9823 reported. Jan

10-03-2006, 01:32 PM	#11
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Very nice looking pistols. I'm curious, what do these usually go for? Brent B.

10-03-2006, 10:27 PM	#12
var99 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 114 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Depends on the model; over the last six months, i've seen un-modified 1908 in NRA excellent $2k+, the more common 1910/21 at $1.5-1.8K. Haven't seen a Wa stamped one in while. Joe Salter has a couple of the Danish ones his site, but with import marks. Even so the 1910/21 with holster at 2.5K is a good buy since the holsters are quite rare and sell for 1-1.5K themselves. Vince

10-04-2006, 03:41 AM	#13
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Numbers are: 3875 and 9449 for the 1910/21 with Eagle/WaaC6 stampel. No holster for these guns, sorry... __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-09-2006, 11:36 AM	#14
Fabian23 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Canton Bern Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good to shoot I do not own one, but I have a friend who does, and I beg to fire it at every opportunity. They shoot very nicely, the only thing I find is that the magazine is very stiff to take out.

10-11-2006, 12:50 AM	#15
hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My 1910/21 S/N is 2358 and is in excellent condition. It is a wonderful shooting firearm. I found a 20 round magazine for it. The mags are very rare and very expensive. Jack Hiles Mesa AZ __________________ Jack Hiles Mesa AZ

10-11-2006, 03:28 AM	#16
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm looking for a 20 round mag... and some clips (not same as Mauser) __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...