Questions on Imperial marking and Pins

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2003, 01:14 AM

Here are some pictures I am posting for Robert.

I have two questions for this posting;
1. What imperial luger is this correct for?
2. Why is there a size diff. in these two luger toggle pins?

Thanks,
Robert

Doubs · 11-20-2003, 01:24 AM

The trigger is for an Erfurt Luger. When correctly installed, the stamp will be on the right side of the pistol. The two pins are different because one is a standard flange (on the right) while the other is the large flange Navy pin.

Ron Wood · 11-20-2003, 01:28 AM

Short answers:
1. Erfurt arsenal
2. Large Pin - Navy Luger
Small Pin - Standard Luger

Ron Wood · 11-20-2003, 01:29 AM

Dang, scooped again! <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2003, 01:31 AM

And was I surprised! That Doubs is faster than a speeding bullet

Ed

11-20-2003, 02:23 AM

Ed, Thanks for posting these!

Doubs and Ron, thank you for the info these were some of the parts that came recently from the former Soviet Union.

Now whats this stuff worth? any ideas!
Robert ( Hessian )

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2003, 03:01 AM

Hessian, I usually check Numrich arms for prices, then a good market indicator, is to put them onto e-bay. The market there is a bit wild and "usually" you can get more than you'd think, but it is a fickle market and I've lost money on something I thought for sure would go for a good price?

Ed

Doubs · 11-20-2003, 01:50 PM

"Now whats this stuff worth?"

I'm not really sure about value but IMO the Navy pin will probably bring more than you might imagine. Tom A could likely give you a fair estimate of the Navy pin value.

Edward Tinker · 11-20-2003, 02:10 PM

I would imagine it makes a big difference if these are "orginal" parts or parts made later, or repro's?

Ed

Lugerdoc · 11-21-2003, 10:52 AM

Robert, Your Navy style (larger flange diameter) is only correct for a M1908 and later Navy. TH

Doubs · 11-22-2003, 01:39 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Lugerdoc:
Robert, Your Navy style (larger flange diameter) is only correct for a M1908 and later Navy. TH<hr /></blockquote>Tom, are you certain of that? My Frankenschloss rework is a first issue (modified) 1906 Navy and it has the large flange pin. It's a long frame new model. I'm no expert on Navies and I'm curious about that.

Ron Wood · 11-22-2003, 02:01 AM

My 1906 First Issue (Altered) Navy has the small flange pin.

Navy · 11-22-2003, 10:16 AM

The navy pin should bring about $100 or so.
Tom A.

11-20-2003, 01:14 AM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	Questions on Imperial marking and Pins Here are some pictures I am posting for Robert. I have two questions for this posting; 1. What imperial luger is this correct for? 2. Why is there a size diff. in these two luger toggle pins? Thanks, Robert __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-20-2003, 01:28 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,017 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 5,164 Times in 1,700 Posts	Short answers: 1. Erfurt arsenal 2. Large Pin - Navy Luger Small Pin - Standard Luger __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-20-2003, 01:29 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,017 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 5,164 Times in 1,700 Posts	Dang, scooped again! <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-20-2003, 01:31 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	And was I surprised! That Doubs is faster than a speeding bullet Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-20-2003, 03:01 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	Hessian, I usually check Numrich arms for prices, then a good market indicator, is to put them onto e-bay. The market there is a bit wild and "usually" you can get more than you'd think, but it is a fickle market and I've lost money on something I thought for sure would go for a good price? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-20-2003, 01:24 AM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,695 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,677 Times in 551 Posts	The trigger is for an Erfurt Luger. When correctly installed, the stamp will be on the right side of the pistol. The two pins are different because one is a standard flange (on the right) while the other is the large flange Navy pin.

11-20-2003, 02:23 AM	#6
Hessian Guest Posts: n/a	Ed, Thanks for posting these! Doubs and Ron, thank you for the info these were some of the parts that came recently from the former Soviet Union. Now whats this stuff worth? any ideas! Robert ( Hessian )

11-20-2003, 01:50 PM	#8
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,695 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,677 Times in 551 Posts	"Now whats this stuff worth?" I'm not really sure about value but IMO the Navy pin will probably bring more than you might imagine. Tom A could likely give you a fair estimate of the Navy pin value.

11-20-2003, 02:10 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	I would imagine it makes a big difference if these are "orginal" parts or parts made later, or repro's? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-21-2003, 10:52 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Robert, Your Navy style (larger flange diameter) is only correct for a M1908 and later Navy. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-22-2003, 01:39 AM	#11
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,695 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,677 Times in 551 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Lugerdoc: <strong>Robert, Your Navy style (larger flange diameter) is only correct for a M1908 and later Navy. TH</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Tom, are you certain of that? My Frankenschloss rework is a first issue (modified) 1906 Navy and it has the large flange pin. It's a long frame new model. I'm no expert on Navies and I'm curious about that.

11-22-2003, 02:01 AM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,017 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 5,164 Times in 1,700 Posts	My 1906 First Issue (Altered) Navy has the small flange pin. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-22-2003, 10:16 AM	#13
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	The navy pin should bring about $100 or so. Tom A.