1936 Krieghoff on Gunbroker ~ Real Or?

CJS57 · 07-08-2019, 09:43 AM

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/820041976

Norme · 07-08-2019, 10:01 AM

Hi Chris,
It looks like the real deal to me as does the tool, pictures of the holster aren't good enough to make a determination. If I was a Kreighoff collector I'd go 5K for it, but then I'm a gamblin man.
Norm

Mister Sunshine · 07-08-2019, 10:47 PM

I am sure the price will go up. As a shooter it is worth more than that, and it is pretty.

Sergio Natali · 07-09-2019, 02:52 AM

Better photos would probably help, if it's really as nice as it seems to be the final price will be higher.

John Sabato · 07-09-2019, 12:26 PM

Easily a $5k pistol, if not more! John D. might be able to give you a better assessment, as he is a KH collector.

Pistol · 07-13-2019, 10:26 AM

I am no expert, but does the 1936 look pantographed? Maybe it is just the lighting?

CJS57 · 07-13-2019, 12:07 PM

The 1936 is not pantographed. The 3 has sharp 90 degree corners which a pantograph cannot do.

Pistol · 07-13-2019, 05:47 PM

Thanks...good to know

gunbugs · 07-14-2019, 10:11 PM

Last I saw, bidding was at 7275.00. Yikes!

Pistol · 07-14-2019, 10:24 PM

8500 now

Pistol · 07-14-2019, 10:29 PM

If I lose on this one, should I go for the 1937 with a turkey vulture proof on the mag and SS runes on he barrel lug?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/820152699

DonVoigt · 07-15-2019, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pistol

If I lose on this one, should I go for the 1937 with a turkey vulture proof on the mag and SS runes on he barrel lug?

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/820152699

Sure, those are common afflictions with pistols that have scrubbed and re-numbered magazines.

Pistol · 07-16-2019, 11:43 AM

Well, looks like the 1936 has been discussed on the other forum and it has allegedly been refinished.

https://luger.gunboards.com/showthre...955#post890955

Norme · 07-16-2019, 12:28 PM

I disagree with those guys. The "thumbprint" on the rear frame is clearly visible and the E/2 on the right frame rail looks like it has been stamped through the blue, as is proper. Given the poor quality of the photos buying this gun would always be a bit of a gamble as I said in post #2. I have no connection with the seller or the buyer and I don't collect Krieghoff's, if I did I would have most likely taken a chance on it.
Norm

1933 FORD NUT · 08-09-2019, 05:13 PM

The right side barrel proof is the one that is supposed to be through the bluing on this gun - NOT the frame proof .

This is well covered in pics on the other forum .

I am not aware of ANY EL/2 acceptance stamps that are through the blue .

The right side barrel proof is an eagle - Not an EL/2 .

Mac Cat · 08-09-2019, 07:43 PM

This is the only luger I have ever seen with a stamp on the frame under the usual acceptance stamps. Is that unique to HK's ?

1933 FORD NUT · 08-10-2019, 12:19 AM

Normal on HK's .

It is the acceptance into inventory proof for parts .

BTW the receiver , barrel and frame being the same color is a HUGE red flag .

07-08-2019, 09:43 AM	#1
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	1936 Krieghoff on Gunbroker ~ Real Or? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/820041976

07-09-2019, 02:52 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Better photos would probably help, if it's really as nice as it seems to be the final price will be higher. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

07-09-2019, 12:26 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Easily a $5k pistol, if not more! John D. might be able to give you a better assessment, as he is a KH collector. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-16-2019, 11:43 AM	#13
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Well, looks like the 1936 has been discussed on the other forum and it has allegedly been refinished. https://luger.gunboards.com/showthre...955#post890955 Last edited by Pistol; 07-16-2019 at 03:39 PM.

08-09-2019, 07:43 PM	#16
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 729 Thanks: 2,093 Thanked 608 Times in 328 Posts	This is the only luger I have ever seen with a stamp on the frame under the usual acceptance stamps. Is that unique to HK's ? Attached Thumbnails

07-08-2019, 10:01 AM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Chris, It looks like the real deal to me as does the tool, pictures of the holster aren't good enough to make a determination. If I was a Kreighoff collector I'd go 5K for it, but then I'm a gamblin man. Norm

07-08-2019, 10:47 PM	#3
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I am sure the price will go up. As a shooter it is worth more than that, and it is pretty.

07-13-2019, 10:26 AM	#6
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	I am no expert, but does the 1936 look pantographed? Maybe it is just the lighting?

07-13-2019, 12:07 PM	#7
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	The 1936 is not pantographed. The 3 has sharp 90 degree corners which a pantograph cannot do.

07-13-2019, 05:47 PM	#8
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Thanks...good to know

07-14-2019, 10:11 PM	#9
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 659 Thanks: 365 Thanked 1,178 Times in 394 Posts	Last I saw, bidding was at 7275.00. Yikes!

07-14-2019, 10:24 PM	#10
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	8500 now

07-14-2019, 10:29 PM	#11
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	If I lose on this one, should I go for the 1937 with a turkey vulture proof on the mag and SS runes on he barrel lug? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/820152699

07-16-2019, 12:28 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I disagree with those guys. The "thumbprint" on the rear frame is clearly visible and the E/2 on the right frame rail looks like it has been stamped through the blue, as is proper. Given the poor quality of the photos buying this gun would always be a bit of a gamble as I said in post #2. I have no connection with the seller or the buyer and I don't collect Krieghoff's, if I did I would have most likely taken a chance on it. Norm

08-09-2019, 05:13 PM	#15
1933 FORD NUT User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WI Posts: 88 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 36 Posts	The right side barrel proof is the one that is supposed to be through the bluing on this gun - NOT the frame proof . This is well covered in pics on the other forum . I am not aware of ANY EL/2 acceptance stamps that are through the blue . The right side barrel proof is an eagle - Not an EL/2 .

08-10-2019, 12:19 AM	#17
1933 FORD NUT User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WI Posts: 88 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 36 Posts	Normal on HK's . It is the acceptance into inventory proof for parts . BTW the receiver , barrel and frame being the same color is a HUGE red flag .