Help with date of DWM

Marc · 02-02-2001, 01:47 AM

I just recently picked up my first Luger. It's a DWM with a serial of 42753.It has no date stamped on it. I was hoping someone might know when it was made.

02-02-2001, 08:26 AM

Marc, Your commerical luger is in the overlap of the M1906 (with grip safety) and M1908 (without) ranges. Normally both would have the verticle crown/N proofing on the left receiver in your range, and no serial number in that location, unless later reworked for the military or police. Tom

Dok · 02-02-2001, 08:40 AM

for our Rogues Gallery. As a frequent poster you qualify, although I can't say you'll be in good company....

02-02-2001, 09:27 AM

DOK, I'd like to offer some pictures for the Gallery, but i'm afraid that a camera isn't compatible with my "Mickey Mouse" Web TV machine. Also please note, that I'm currently out of Mec-Gar PO8 mags, as you guys cleaned me out. I do still have new triple Ks (perfered by some) @$20 or used original starting @$50.

John Sabato · 02-02-2001, 09:42 AM

and I'd be glad to scan it and send it to Dok. Make sure it is a good full face photo...

email me for the snail mail address...

-John

John Sabato · 02-02-2001, 09:44 AM

John Sabato · 02-02-2001, 09:46 AM

John D. · 02-02-2001, 10:57 AM

really isn't G.T.'s picture in the gallery??!!!

John Sabato · 02-02-2001, 11:51 AM

that must be what he looks like the first time he fired a luger without hearing protection!

Mark · 02-02-2001, 12:05 PM

Back to the original question, anyone have an answer to what the year of manufacture may be?

Hugh · 02-02-2001, 12:16 PM

Marc,

More info is needed: does the SN have a small letter below it on the front of the frame, what are the markings on the left and right sides of the reciever?

Dok · 02-02-2001, 02:29 PM

you will find the markings in the Technical Info section of this site. Using them and the suffix info will be a big help in determining the correct date.

BILL · 02-02-2001, 03:54 PM

Hi Marc, Tom, -- I thought these 1906's or 1908's had horizontal C/N's, not vertical C/N's? I thought the vertical C/N's started around 1919 and after?

Frank · 02-02-2001, 05:08 PM

it sure would be helpful if we knew if there were any other markings on the pistol!!!

Ted · 02-02-2001, 05:35 PM

I think Bill is right!

Marc · 02-02-2001, 07:00 PM

On the left side of the slide or upper receiver (not sure of the correct name)behind the serial there is a crown with a B and a crown with a U turned horizontal. It appears that they were there first and the serial was stamped over them. There are no markings on the right side of the slide. On the front of the receiver beneath the barrel is the whole serial again with no other markings. On the bottom of the barrel it has a crown with an N. Those are all of the markings that I can see. There is no grip safety and the grips are a black/brown plastic which are most likely getting replaced soon. All numbers match including the magazine, except for the safety piece that pops up when in gesichert. From the crown markings it looks to be between 1900 and 1908 from the tech section. Is it possible to get closer on the date? Also approximately how much should I have paid? The blueing is about 90% with a little wear from a holster.It has very little pitting on the sides and none on or in the barrel.

Dok · 02-02-2001, 08:31 PM

on the left receiver and barrel. On mine the Crown N represents the barrel was replaced by the East Germans, probably in the 1950s, my guess is, so was yours. The proofs on the left side are German Commercial proofs usually applied on weapons during 1900 - 1908, although my Luger is 1918.

02-02-2001, 01:47 AM	#1
Marc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help with date of DWM I just recently picked up my first Luger. It's a DWM with a serial of 42753.It has no date stamped on it. I was hoping someone might know when it was made.

02-02-2001, 08:26 AM	#2
tom heller Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Help with date of DWM Marc, Your commerical luger is in the overlap of the M1906 (with grip safety) and M1908 (without) ranges. Normally both would have the verticle crown/N proofing on the left receiver in your range, and no serial number in that location, unless later reworked for the military or police. Tom

02-02-2001, 08:40 AM	#3
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hey Tom! How about a picture... for our Rogues Gallery. As a frequent poster you qualify, although I can't say you'll be in good company....

02-02-2001, 09:27 AM	#4
tom heller Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Hey Tom! How about a picture... DOK, I'd like to offer some pictures for the Gallery, but i'm afraid that a camera isn't compatible with my "Mickey Mouse" Web TV machine. Also please note, that I'm currently out of Mec-Gar PO8 mags, as you guys cleaned me out. I do still have new triple Ks (perfered by some) @$20 or used original starting @$50.

02-02-2001, 09:42 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Tom, you can snail mail me a snapshot and I'd be glad to scan it and send it to Dok. Make sure it is a good full face photo... email me for the snail mail address... -John

02-02-2001, 09:44 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Oh yeah, I'll be glad to mail the snapshot back after scanning... (EOM)

02-02-2001, 09:46 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Same offer goes for you G.T. ! (EOM)

02-02-2001, 10:57 AM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	John.. Are you saying that... really isn't G.T.'s picture in the gallery??!!!

02-02-2001, 11:51 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Re: John.. Are you saying that... that must be what he looks like the first time he fired a luger without hearing protection!

02-02-2001, 12:05 PM	#10
Mark Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: John.. Are you saying that... Back to the original question, anyone have an answer to what the year of manufacture may be?

02-02-2001, 12:16 PM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Re: John.. Are you saying that... Marc, More info is needed: does the SN have a small letter below it on the front of the frame, what are the markings on the left and right sides of the reciever?

02-02-2001, 02:29 PM	#12
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Sorry Marc, that was MY fault it went off topic... you will find the markings in the Technical Info section of this site. Using them and the suffix info will be a big help in determining the correct date.

02-02-2001, 03:54 PM	#13
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help with date of DWM Hi Marc, Tom, -- I thought these 1906's or 1908's had horizontal C/N's, not vertical C/N's? I thought the vertical C/N's started around 1919 and after?

02-02-2001, 05:08 PM	#14
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Bill, I think you are correct and it sure would be helpful if we knew if there were any other markings on the pistol!!!

02-02-2001, 05:35 PM	#15
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help with date of DWM I think Bill is right!

02-02-2001, 07:00 PM	#16
Marc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help with date of DWM On the left side of the slide or upper receiver (not sure of the correct name)behind the serial there is a crown with a B and a crown with a U turned horizontal. It appears that they were there first and the serial was stamped over them. There are no markings on the right side of the slide. On the front of the receiver beneath the barrel is the whole serial again with no other markings. On the bottom of the barrel it has a crown with an N. Those are all of the markings that I can see. There is no grip safety and the grips are a black/brown plastic which are most likely getting replaced soon. All numbers match including the magazine, except for the safety piece that pops up when in gesichert. From the crown markings it looks to be between 1900 and 1908 from the tech section. Is it possible to get closer on the date? Also approximately how much should I have paid? The blueing is about 90% with a little wear from a holster.It has very little pitting on the sides and none on or in the barrel.

02-02-2001, 08:31 PM	#17
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I have a DWM with similar stamps... on the left receiver and barrel. On mine the Crown N represents the barrel was replaced by the East Germans, probably in the 1950s, my guess is, so was yours. The proofs on the left side are German Commercial proofs usually applied on weapons during 1900 - 1908, although my Luger is 1918.