30 luger point of aim

Major Tom · 08-06-2017, 11:02 AM

I have read that at the factories luger sights were adjusted to POA at 50 meters. My 30 luger will not hit a 12 inch paper target at 25 yards. I don't have a larger target to see where the bullets are hitting. Do you think I should aim higher? Or lower? At 50 meters I would think the trajectory would be high at 25 yards.
Thanks for any info.

Chickenthief · 08-06-2017, 12:02 PM

And no info on cartridges used so we have to WAG ;-)

How about a shot or two at half distance?

Lighter faster bullets tend to hit lower.
Aim for the top edge of the target and see if that does it.

My 4" will hit about 2½-3" high at 27yds with factory speed/weight ammo. 93gr @1200fps

kurusu · 08-06-2017, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Major Tom

I have read that at the factories luger sights were adjusted to POA at 50 meters. ]My 30 luger will not hit a 12 inch paper target at 25 yards. I don't have a larger target to see where the bullets are hitting. Do you think I should aim higher? Or lower? At 50 meters I would think the trajectory would be high at 25 yards.
Thanks for any info.

That is odd.

Most will hit the X ring of a issf pistol target with a 6 o'clock hold at 25 meters. And those targets are 10,5x10,5 inches.

Edward Tinker · 08-06-2017, 07:25 PM

50 meters.... that is over 150 feet - that is a long ways

25 meters sounds more what I'd think is a long distance.

but i can't remember how far the books say

kurusu · 08-06-2017, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

50 meters.... that is over 150 feet - that is a long ways

25 meters sounds more what I'd think is a long distance.

but i can't remember how far the books say

The military 9mm were indeed sighted for 50 meters.

Norme · 08-06-2017, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kurusu

The military 9mm were indeed sighted for 50 meters.

The P08, when introduced, was sighted in at 100 meters. This was found to be impractical and was shortened to 50 meters in 1913. Most of the earlier guns were recalled to the Erfurt Armory and their front sight blades were changed for ones that were 0.5mm taller (this was done at the same time as they were retro fitted with a hold-open). Guns that were so altered were stamped with a small Erfurt inspection mark on the front sight base.
Norm

Eugen · 08-06-2017, 08:08 PM

Major Tom, I can't answer your question on 30 Luger POA, but if i am having problems hitting a target, I just get much closer. I make whatever adjustment necessary to sights or my aim and progressively increase my distance.

Keep us posted on what happens next.

Edward Tinker · 08-06-2017, 09:37 PM

100 than 50, guess it just sounds far to me

ithacaartist · 08-06-2017, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugen

Major Tom, I can't answer your question on 30 Luger POA, but if i am having problems hitting a target, I just get much closer. I make whatever adjustment necessary to sights or my aim and progressively increase my distance.

Keep us posted on what happens next.

The alternative is to stand your ground and slip a big piece of cardboard behind the target while dialing it in! Yes, we expect a review/report!

Eugen · 08-06-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

The alternative is to stand your ground and slip a big piece of cardboard behind the target while dialing it in! Yes, we expect a review/report!

Dave, I hear you. Maybe the Major could try the cardboard from a large refrigerator container.

DonVoigt · 08-06-2017, 11:03 PM

Getting a larger target is not difficult!

Box, card board, tape two targets together vertically.

Let your imagination run wild.

But I'll guess you need to aim at least 18" lower.

Major Tom · 08-07-2017, 10:34 AM

I was shooting Fiochi and PPU ammo. The range where I shoot has large gravel spread from the 25 yard line to target stands. My luger literally throws ejected brass in a very high arc over my right shoulder. Trying to find expensive brass in the gravel is near impossible. But, under the firing line we have a roof and that bounces the brass down to within 8 foot of where I stand, so easy to find. And yes, when I stand at 10 yards the bullets will hit the 12 inch target, but again, the brass loss is unacceptible to me.

sheepherder · 08-07-2017, 10:59 AM

Most multi-marts will have a sporting goods dep't with fishing gear, including minnow/fish nets. Get a big one [12 inch or so] and fabricate a stand to hold it right next to your Luger while you fire. You may need to make spreaders out of straws to hold it open enough to actually catch the brass.

Mine sits on the bench. The base is an old Xmas tree stand with folding legs. The fish net is screwed to the stand.

Works great.

Sergio Natali · 08-07-2017, 01:26 PM

When I happen to go to an open air range where I have a similar problem, I spread out a large square of nylon on the gravel.

ithacaartist · 08-07-2017, 04:17 PM

I was suffering about 15-20% .30 Luger brass loss when I first started using the setup in the side yard at home. Grass of a regular lawn just eats the stuff right up. I made a small structure of screen panels from old, over-size sliding doors that gave me a gabled roof over the top of me and a screened in right side. Tarp floor. That sorta worked, but some would still squeak out beyond its margins. The setup was on wheels, but still a pain to set up.

What now works best now is to mow that section of lawn at the lowest or second lowest setting on the bagging mower's wheels. Keeping it short also seems to encourage the spread of moss, which is an even better surface for retrieving empties. I can pretty much find all of it now, if not right after I shoot it , then the next time or time after that.

I will soon be able to leave no environmental footprint at all, after I finish up the bullet trap. Stay tuned for that, I'm hoping to complete it this week.

kurusu · 08-07-2017, 05:38 PM

What I really want to know.

How did they hit on target? Hi; low; left; right? All over?

Silly question... Are you 100% positive it's chambered for.30?

Major Tom · 08-07-2017, 06:24 PM

From 10 yards the rounds were hitting about 2 inches high dead center. Yes, it is a 30 luger for sure.

kurusu · 08-07-2017, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Major Tom

From 10 yards the rounds were hitting about 2 inches high dead center. Yes, it is a 30 luger for sure.

OK. Thanks.

And that is consistent with a 6 o'clock on the target I mentioned above shooting at 25 meters, just a little more than 25 yards.

LU1900 · 08-11-2017, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

The P08, when introduced, was sighted in at 100 meters. This was found to be impractical and was shortened to 50 meters in 1913. Most of the earlier guns were recalled to the Erfurt Armory and their front sight blades were changed for ones that were 0.5mm taller (this was done at the same time as they were retro fitted with a hold-open). Guns that were so altered were stamped with a small Erfurt inspection mark on the front sight base.
Norm

Norme , I read in some book 75 meters before 1913 and then reduce to 50 meters after
So wich is right ?

k38 · 08-12-2017, 09:47 AM

My 1920 Commercial (30 Luger, of course) is good for a 6 o'clock hold at 50 feet (the indoor bullseye distance). I haven't had the gun long and only have used Fiocci purple and black box.

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Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	30 luger point of aim I have read that at the factories luger sights were adjusted to POA at 50 meters. My 30 luger will not hit a 12 inch paper target at 25 yards. I don't have a larger target to see where the bullets are hitting. Do you think I should aim higher? Or lower? At 50 meters I would think the trajectory would be high at 25 yards. Thanks for any info. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

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Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 394 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Major Tom, I can't answer your question on 30 Luger POA, but if i am having problems hitting a target, I just get much closer. I make whatever adjustment necessary to sights or my aim and progressively increase my distance. Keep us posted on what happens next. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Getting a larger target is not difficult! Box, card board, tape two targets together vertically. Let your imagination run wild. But I'll guess you need to aim at least 18" lower. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

08-07-2017, 10:34 AM	#12
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	I was shooting Fiochi and PPU ammo. The range where I shoot has large gravel spread from the 25 yard line to target stands. My luger literally throws ejected brass in a very high arc over my right shoulder. Trying to find expensive brass in the gravel is near impossible. But, under the firing line we have a roof and that bounces the brass down to within 8 foot of where I stand, so easy to find. And yes, when I stand at 10 yards the bullets will hit the 12 inch target, but again, the brass loss is unacceptible to me. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Most multi-marts will have a sporting goods dep't with fishing gear, including minnow/fish nets. Get a big one [12 inch or so] and fabricate a stand to hold it right next to your Luger while you fire. You may need to make spreaders out of straws to hold it open enough to actually catch the brass. Mine sits on the bench. The base is an old Xmas tree stand with folding legs. The fish net is screwed to the stand. Works great. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

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Chickenthief User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 131 Times in 48 Posts	And no info on cartridges used so we have to WAG ;-) How about a shot or two at half distance? Lighter faster bullets tend to hit lower. Aim for the top edge of the target and see if that does it. My 4" will hit about 2½-3" high at 27yds with factory speed/weight ammo. 93gr @1200fps

08-06-2017, 07:25 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	50 meters.... that is over 150 feet - that is a long ways 25 meters sounds more what I'd think is a long distance. but i can't remember how far the books say

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	100 than 50, guess it just sounds far to me

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	When I happen to go to an open air range where I have a similar problem, I spread out a large square of nylon on the gravel. Attached Images __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,277 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	I was suffering about 15-20% .30 Luger brass loss when I first started using the setup in the side yard at home. Grass of a regular lawn just eats the stuff right up. I made a small structure of screen panels from old, over-size sliding doors that gave me a gabled roof over the top of me and a screened in right side. Tarp floor. That sorta worked, but some would still squeak out beyond its margins. The setup was on wheels, but still a pain to set up. What now works best now is to mow that section of lawn at the lowest or second lowest setting on the bagging mower's wheels. Keeping it short also seems to encourage the spread of moss, which is an even better surface for retrieving empties. I can pretty much find all of it now, if not right after I shoot it , then the next time or time after that. I will soon be able to leave no environmental footprint at all, after I finish up the bullet trap. Stay tuned for that, I'm hoping to complete it this week. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-07-2017, 05:38 PM	#16
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	What I really want to know. How did they hit on target? Hi; low; left; right? All over? Silly question... Are you 100% positive it's chambered for.30?

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Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	From 10 yards the rounds were hitting about 2 inches high dead center. Yes, it is a 30 luger for sure. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

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k38 User Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 36 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	My 1920 Commercial (30 Luger, of course) is good for a 6 o'clock hold at 50 feet (the indoor bullseye distance). I haven't had the gun long and only have used Fiocci purple and black box.