George Anderson Came Through To Help Correct a Stock

cirelaw · 10-09-2012, 02:21 PM

About 8 years ago I purchased this 08 Navy and later bought a navy stock. I could never get it to fit. I found out it was the commercial version. George found me the correct one and also a beautiful artillery duel mag holster. Its nice to have a real mentor!! TKS George

DavidJayUden · 10-09-2012, 04:44 PM

C:
Please explain the diff. on a commercial version and how it can effect holster fit.
And by the way, that is one nice Navy...!
dju

cirelaw · 10-09-2012, 04:56 PM

Thank You!The commercial doesn't have the round plate. I could never make the small handle go up with my first one!. It never fit at all! George spotted it. It was new to me!I was told it serial to Ureguay??? I learned my own relutance to ask! I think we could use a good book on Navy lugers. Ive never seen a commercial luger and would'nt know the difference between the two.

irishcop45 · 10-16-2012, 09:32 AM

What a beautiful rig you have there! I'm new to Lugers, but have always admired the Navy pistol.

cirelaw · 10-16-2012, 08:22 PM

Thank You, #2525b, I bought from Ralph before he died! George found me the military board. Ralph sold me a commecial navy board that wouldn't fit. If anyone needs a commercial navy board I believe George might have one! Tks Eric

cirelaw · 10-16-2012, 08:28 PM

No Problem. 1908 Serial #2505b, I'll post some nice pics in the AM. Eric.... Just off the press! I beleive the numbers on the frame are inspection marks???

cirelaw · 01-02-2013, 09:09 PM

I just noticed Bob Simpson has a 1908 Navy with 'Germany' on its side and mine doesn't. Are we both correct mine is 2505b ? Is this a commercial model?

Ron Wood · 01-03-2013, 12:18 AM

Both your and Simpson's Navy Lugers are military. Simpson's was exported for commercial sale after WWI and received the "Germany" export stamp, yours probably came home with a GI.

cirelaw · 01-03-2013, 09:27 AM

Way Cool. Thank You Ron!

alanint · 01-03-2013, 09:28 AM

There is still some confusion about Eric's original statement. Eric, you mentioned "holster" but I'm assuming you meant "stock". Were you stating that your commercial stock would not lock onto your military Naval Luger or where you talking about the leather holster?

I'm guessing you meant that your stock was not correct, as it did not include a military data disk, which would be correct for your military pistol and that your new military stock does lock onto your pistol properly.

cirelaw · 01-03-2013, 09:35 AM

You are correct! I had purchased the 1908 navy and its navy leather holster and stock from Ralph Shattuck. Jerry provided all the leather. Later I purchased the board but never would lock. George Anderson sold me a correct military board so we have a commercial navy board to sell. I'm told its from Ureguay!

John Sabato · 01-03-2013, 09:43 AM

Thanks Alanint,

I presumed the same and was making edits to Eric first post when you posted.

Eric, That is a REALLY NICE Navy Luger! I am envious...

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I think we could use a good book on Navy lugers.

Also Eric, you mentioned the need for a good Navy Luger book. There IS a Navy Luger book, but as nice as it is, it is old and is based on old information and doesn't contain sufficient detail for today's collectors based on discoveries and research over the last couple of decades.

Our late hero, friend, and Navy Luger Forum moderator, Tom Armstrong, was co-authoring a new Navy Luger book when his untimely death occured.

Perhaps George Anderson can enlighten us on what has happened to the manuscript and the effort to produce that book? It's publication would be very welcome in the collector community and a fitting final tribute to our late friend Tom.

cirelaw · 01-03-2013, 10:09 AM

Thank You John. Heres another few!

cirelaw · 04-09-2013, 03:57 PM

What percent were Navy marked? Unfortunatly mine wasn't although my Weimer double dated Erfurt artillery was drafted by the nazi navy as evidenced below! See 'WEIMER AND EARLY NAZI LUGER' pages 203-204 'Early Nazi Navy Markings reported both were DWM!

Mark1 · 04-09-2013, 09:29 PM

Cirelaw,
Thanks for the previous pics of your beautiful 1908 navy.
Please could you show some more of your navy marked Erfurt artillery ?

cirelaw · 04-09-2013, 10:15 PM

But can't find my thread!

spripple33 · 02-22-2021, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

What percent were Navy marked? Unfortunatly mine wasn't although my Weimer double dated Erfurt artillery was drafted by the nazi navy as evidenced below! See 'WEIMER AND EARLY NAZI LUGER' pages 203-204 'Early Nazi Navy Markings reported both were DWM!

Quite a few of the 1st and 2nd issue 1906 Navy Lugers are unit marked but not many of the other variations of P.04 are. Hardly any 1916 or 1917 dated ones are. Not sure about Weimar or Nazi Navy...

Here's a pic of the unit marking on my 1906 1st issue.

cirelaw · 02-22-2021, 05:18 PM

I think the disc makes the difference!

LU1900 · 02-22-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I think the disc makes the difference!

I agree , and beautiful exemple !

m1903a3 · 02-22-2021, 09:58 PM

The commercial and military Navy stocks were physically identical. Originally, the military ones had no stock disc and were identified as military by a large Crown/M stamp on the left side of the wood.

The discs were made standard in 1910, with many of the early ones refitted by adding the disc.

As for fit, the stocks were hand fitted to the matching pistol, like many other Luger parts. It's not unusual to find original, correct but not matching number, stocks need a bit a tweaking to fit a particular pistol.

10-09-2012, 02:21 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	George Anderson Came Through To Help Correct a Stock About 8 years ago I purchased this 08 Navy and later bought a navy stock. I could never get it to fit. I found out it was the commercial version. George found me the correct one and also a beautiful artillery duel mag holster. Its nice to have a real mentor!! TKS George Attached Thumbnails

10-09-2012, 04:56 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You!The commercial doesn't have the round plate. I could never make the small handle go up with my first one!. It never fit at all! George spotted it. It was new to me!I was told it serial to Ureguay??? I learned my own relutance to ask! I think we could use a good book on Navy lugers. Ive never seen a commercial luger and would'nt know the difference between the two. Attached Thumbnails

10-16-2012, 08:28 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	No Problem. 1908 Serial #2505b, I'll post some nice pics in the AM. Eric.... Just off the press! I beleive the numbers on the frame are inspection marks??? Attached Thumbnails

01-03-2013, 12:18 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Both your and Simpson's Navy Lugers are military. Simpson's was exported for commercial sale after WWI and received the "Germany" export stamp, yours probably came home with a GI. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-03-2013, 09:35 AM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You are correct! I had purchased the 1908 navy and its navy leather holster and stock from Ralph Shattuck. Jerry provided all the leather. Later I purchased the board but never would lock. George Anderson sold me a correct military board so we have a commercial navy board to sell. I'm told its from Ureguay! Attached Thumbnails

10-09-2012, 04:44 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	C: Please explain the diff. on a commercial version and how it can effect holster fit. And by the way, that is one nice Navy...! dju

10-16-2012, 09:32 AM	#4
irishcop45 User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Central PA Posts: 21 Thanks: 17 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	What a beautiful rig you have there! I'm new to Lugers, but have always admired the Navy pistol.

10-16-2012, 08:22 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You, #2525b, I bought from Ralph before he died! George found me the military board. Ralph sold me a commecial navy board that wouldn't fit. If anyone needs a commercial navy board I believe George might have one! Tks Eric

01-02-2013, 09:09 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I just noticed Bob Simpson has a 1908 Navy with 'Germany' on its side and mine doesn't. Are we both correct mine is 2505b ? Is this a commercial model?

01-03-2013, 09:27 AM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Way Cool. Thank You Ron!

01-03-2013, 09:28 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	There is still some confusion about Eric's original statement. Eric, you mentioned "holster" but I'm assuming you meant "stock". Were you stating that your commercial stock would not lock onto your military Naval Luger or where you talking about the leather holster? I'm guessing you meant that your stock was not correct, as it did not include a military data disk, which would be correct for your military pistol and that your new military stock does lock onto your pistol properly.

01-03-2013, 10:09 AM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You John. Heres another few! Attached Thumbnails

04-09-2013, 03:57 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	What percent were Navy marked? Unfortunatly mine wasn't although my Weimer double dated Erfurt artillery was drafted by the nazi navy as evidenced below! See 'WEIMER AND EARLY NAZI LUGER' pages 203-204 'Early Nazi Navy Markings reported both were DWM! Attached Thumbnails

04-09-2013, 09:29 PM	#15
Mark1 User Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 72 Thanks: 332 Thanked 74 Times in 25 Posts	Cirelaw, Thanks for the previous pics of your beautiful 1908 navy. Please could you show some more of your navy marked Erfurt artillery ?

04-09-2013, 10:15 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I posted some of these month ago But can't find my thread! Attached Thumbnails

02-22-2021, 05:18 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I think the disc makes the difference!

02-22-2021, 09:58 PM	#20
m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 198 Thanks: 26 Thanked 315 Times in 112 Posts	The commercial and military Navy stocks were physically identical. Originally, the military ones had no stock disc and were identified as military by a large Crown/M stamp on the left side of the wood. The discs were made standard in 1910, with many of the early ones refitted by adding the disc. As for fit, the stocks were hand fitted to the matching pistol, like many other Luger parts. It's not unusual to find original, correct but not matching number, stocks need a bit a tweaking to fit a particular pistol. __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum