My first Borchardt,

Lugers down under · 11-26-2004, 01:16 AM

I finally got myself a Borchardt.
Made by Lowe, Serial number 315.

I know it is not the best in the world, but for me it is the dream of a life time.

This is a side view.
The green lining of the case is actually much darker, the camera flash makes it look a lot lighter.

Top view of makers name.

Another side view.

Kind regards
Murray.

PS, I will be at the SAR show in Arizona next week if anyone is interested.

Ron Wood · 11-26-2004, 02:49 AM

Beautiful!!! Everyone should own a Borchardt, fortunately some of us do. Congratulations on your lifetime dream come true. You are very lucky to own one of these landmark firearms, and a very nice early one at that.

Dwight Gruber · 11-26-2004, 02:59 AM

Murray,

If that's not "the best in the world" it comes darn close. You have my envious congratulations.

--Dwight

Lugers down under · 11-26-2004, 03:17 AM

Thank you Guys,
You are very kind.
The gun is, in my opinion, very good. 98% original blue and very crisp gips. BUG proofs. All matchimg numbers # 315 but not the Magazine which is the same number as the stock and the cheek piece.#478.
the stock and hold open devise have "GESHTZUGH OESCHUTZT" (I think!)stamped on the edge.As I said "not the best Borchardt in the world" but, I suppose, at my age "beggers can't be choosers"!
I know the exact histoy of the Gun. It was imported into New Zealand by a dealer friend of mine (now deceased) in 1983, I have followed its path until very recently when I got the chance to purchase it.

It has been very well looked after. The only noticable blemish is some blue missing (wear) from around where the stock fits on to the gun.
All I need now is a spare mag and a little oil bottle but not much luck so far.
Kind wishes

Steinar · 11-26-2004, 06:35 AM

Congratulations! A beautiful firearm! Are you going to take the chance of fireing a couple of rounds with it?

Russ · 11-26-2004, 09:16 AM

Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

Russ

the gunman · 11-26-2004, 11:08 AM

"GOD" If thats not the best I don't know what is. What a treasure. One of my dreams as well.

Ron Wood · 11-26-2004, 11:48 AM

OK...quiz time. Other than the markings, there are two significant differences between a Loewe Borchardt and a DWM Borchardt - what are they?

Edward Tinker · 11-26-2004, 12:59 PM

Sorry Ron, out of my breadth of limited knowledge!

Murray..... jeez, just a dream come true!

Very nice bud, very nice!

Ed

Lugers down under · 11-26-2004, 03:07 PM

Ron,
As I only have a photograph of the LH side of a DWM Borchardt, I can detect four changes.
The first most significant is that the raised machining around the trigger guard has been removed, there is a pin that seems no longer existant on the recoil spring housing, the little "tit" for want of a better word, on the side plate, is not so pronounced and there is a little slot on the firing pin actuation lever (above the mag release button) that also seems to have disapeared.

How did I do?
Regards
Murray.

Vlim · 11-26-2004, 06:57 PM

A very nice Borchardt!

Gives me the opportunity to share this detail drawing set from the DWM archives.

G.T. · 11-26-2004, 09:42 PM

Murray! Some of us have.... some of us have not... YOU HAVE!!! Congrats!! Damn I'm Jealous!! Best to you, til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

Roadkill · 11-26-2004, 09:54 PM

Good to hear from you again, Congratulations!

rk

Ron Wood · 11-26-2004, 09:56 PM

Murray,
You did great! I had forgotten about the raised machining around the trigger guard, so make that 3 significant changes! The difference in the side plate is one of the changes I was looking for. The other change I was looking for is perhaps the most significant and probably can't be seen in a side view.

I am not sure about the pin in the recoil spring housing (I don't have a DWM Borchardt either), but I believe the slot in the sear bar exists on both models.

Pete Ebbink · 11-26-2004, 10:22 PM

Murray,

What a great acquisition ! You are a very patient collector ! Congratulations and thanks for the photos !!! The leather is also very exceptional...

p.s. Can you explain the function of the wooden object in the lower, right-hand side of your case ?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Steve Richards · 11-27-2004, 02:03 AM

Pete,

My understanding is that it is inserted in place of a magazine during takedown. That is about the extent of my knowledge of Borchardts except to say that I am very jelous of anyone who owns one.

Steve

mauro · 11-27-2004, 10:39 AM

Murray,
I would like to add my compliments to the above list.
Very great item with accessories and case.
You may add an original manual to complete the set. I remember that Simpson ltd had one manual for sale in his list of Luger accessories.
Ciao
Mauro

Ron Wood · 11-27-2004, 10:15 PM

Pete,
The wooden object is a dummy magazine used as a hold-open when cleaning the barrel. The brass portion visible in the picture is part of a jointed cleaning rod contained in the wood magazine.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-28-2004, 06:41 PM

Murray, I cannot say any more than what has been said! Truely a magnificent acquisition. The holey grail so to speak. We should all be so lucky someday.

The case is probably much more rare than the pistol...

Acouple of questions if I could...How much? Are you going to fire it? Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 11-29-2004, 11:18 AM

Murray... WOW!... you never cease to amaze your Luger friends with what you find down under! Congrats!

11-26-2004, 01:16 AM	#1
Lugers down under User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Great Barrier Island, New Zealand Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	My first Borchardt, I finally got myself a Borchardt. Made by Lowe, Serial number 315. I know it is not the best in the world, but for me it is the dream of a life time. This is a side view. The green lining of the case is actually much darker, the camera flash makes it look a lot lighter. Top view of makers name. Another side view. Kind regards Murray. PS, I will be at the SAR show in Arizona next week if anyone is interested. __________________ Lugers down under

11-26-2004, 02:49 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Beautiful!!! Everyone should own a Borchardt, fortunately some of us do. Congratulations on your lifetime dream come true. You are very lucky to own one of these landmark firearms, and a very nice early one at that. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-26-2004, 06:35 AM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Congratulations! A beautiful firearm! Are you going to take the chance of fireing a couple of rounds with it? __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

11-26-2004, 09:16 AM	#6
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

11-26-2004, 11:48 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	OK...quiz time. Other than the markings, there are two significant differences between a Loewe Borchardt and a DWM Borchardt - what are they? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-26-2004, 02:59 AM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,312 Times in 430 Posts	Murray, If that's not "the best in the world" it comes darn close. You have my envious congratulations. --Dwight

11-26-2004, 03:17 AM	#4
Lugers down under User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Great Barrier Island, New Zealand Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you Guys, You are very kind. The gun is, in my opinion, very good. 98% original blue and very crisp gips. BUG proofs. All matchimg numbers # 315 but not the Magazine which is the same number as the stock and the cheek piece.#478. the stock and hold open devise have "GESHTZUGH OESCHUTZT" (I think!)stamped on the edge.As I said "not the best Borchardt in the world" but, I suppose, at my age "beggers can't be choosers"! I know the exact histoy of the Gun. It was imported into New Zealand by a dealer friend of mine (now deceased) in 1983, I have followed its path until very recently when I got the chance to purchase it. It has been very well looked after. The only noticable blemish is some blue missing (wear) from around where the stock fits on to the gun. All I need now is a spare mag and a little oil bottle but not much luck so far. Kind wishes __________________ Lugers down under

11-26-2004, 11:08 AM	#7
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	"GOD" If thats not the best I don't know what is. What a treasure. One of my dreams as well.

11-26-2004, 12:59 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Sorry Ron, out of my breadth of limited knowledge! Murray..... jeez, just a dream come true! Very nice bud, very nice! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-26-2004, 03:07 PM	#10
Lugers down under User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Great Barrier Island, New Zealand Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Ron, As I only have a photograph of the LH side of a DWM Borchardt, I can detect four changes. The first most significant is that the raised machining around the trigger guard has been removed, there is a pin that seems no longer existant on the recoil spring housing, the little "tit" for want of a better word, on the side plate, is not so pronounced and there is a little slot on the firing pin actuation lever (above the mag release button) that also seems to have disapeared. How did I do? Regards Murray. __________________ Lugers down under

11-26-2004, 06:57 PM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	A very nice Borchardt! Gives me the opportunity to share this detail drawing set from the DWM archives.

11-26-2004, 09:42 PM	#12
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,506 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,652 Times in 1,004 Posts	Murray! Some of us have.... some of us have not... YOU HAVE!!! Congrats!! Damn I'm Jealous!! Best to you, til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

11-26-2004, 09:54 PM	#13
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Good to hear from you again, Congratulations! rk

11-26-2004, 09:56 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Murray, You did great! I had forgotten about the raised machining around the trigger guard, so make that 3 significant changes! The difference in the side plate is one of the changes I was looking for. The other change I was looking for is perhaps the most significant and probably can't be seen in a side view. I am not sure about the pin in the recoil spring housing (I don't have a DWM Borchardt either), but I believe the slot in the sear bar exists on both models. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-26-2004, 10:22 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Murray, What a great acquisition ! You are a very patient collector ! Congratulations and thanks for the photos !!! The leather is also very exceptional... p.s. Can you explain the function of the wooden object in the lower, right-hand side of your case ? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-27-2004, 02:03 AM	#16
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, My understanding is that it is inserted in place of a magazine during takedown. That is about the extent of my knowledge of Borchardts except to say that I am very jelous of anyone who owns one. Steve

11-27-2004, 10:39 AM	#17
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Murray, I would like to add my compliments to the above list. Very great item with accessories and case. You may add an original manual to complete the set. I remember that Simpson ltd had one manual for sale in his list of Luger accessories. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

11-27-2004, 10:15 PM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	Pete, The wooden object is a dummy magazine used as a hold-open when cleaning the barrel. The brass portion visible in the picture is part of a jointed cleaning rod contained in the wood magazine. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-28-2004, 06:41 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,926 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Murray, I cannot say any more than what has been said! Truely a magnificent acquisition. The holey grail so to speak. We should all be so lucky someday. The case is probably much more rare than the pistol... Acouple of questions if I could...How much? Are you going to fire it? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-29-2004, 11:18 AM	#20
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Murray... WOW!... you never cease to amaze your Luger friends with what you find down under! Congrats! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*