C&R License Sales Requirement...

mrerick · 11-24-2013, 09:12 AM

In reading some recent materials from the ATF, I ran across this information:

"Licensees do not have to provide a copy of the Youth Handgun Safety Act to another licensee. Each licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector who delivers a handgun to a nonlicensee shall provide this notice."

www.atf.gov/files/training/firearms/0924-webinar-firearms-accountability-questions-and-answers.pdf

So, if you hold a C&R license and sell a handgun to a non-licensee, you have to provide a copy of the brochure about the "Youth Handgun Safety Act" to them...

Marc

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2013, 09:23 AM

One of the FAQ questions says that you don't have to display or give these out.

Is this a new rule?

mrerick · 11-24-2013, 10:58 AM

Must be something "re-interpreted" since it appeared in a September 2013 newsletter from the ATF. I wasn't aware of the requirement before this notice.

In any case, the form is available online here:

http://www.atf.gov/files/publication...f-i-5300-2.pdf

Arizona Slim · 11-24-2013, 12:58 PM

Thanks Marc, I had an FFL 01, Dealers license from 1962 until around 1975, and it seems like on a regular basis I would receive publications on new laws or changes to existing laws from the BATF, and after getting my second call from an Agent with the FBI informing me they wanted to review my records I decided whatever discounts I was getting from the manufacturers and other businesses wasn't worth the hassle and as I wasn't in the firearms business anyway, just had the license to further my hobby, I relinquished it and sent them my records as requested. I currently have a C&R FFL 03 as many forum members also do and would hate to loose it or worse due to an innocent mistake.

Lon

Edward Tinker · 11-24-2013, 01:10 PM

Marc in states back East, you can't sell directly to a non licensee, although where I grew up in Washington or In Oklahoma or Colorado et cetera you can buy and sell private sales.

CAP Black · 11-24-2013, 01:45 PM

"In state back east" of in SOME states back east...???
thanks
Jack

gunbugs · 11-24-2013, 02:41 PM

The requirement to display and provide a copy of the "youth handgun safety act" notice has been in effect since the implementation of the Brady law. Even though the "assault" weapons ban and mag cap restrictions have sunsetted, many of the other regulations are still in effect.

mrerick · 11-25-2013, 09:52 AM

In North Carolina I can sell to a private individual as long as I follow state law. State law says that the NC Resident buyer must have a Sheriff issued pistol purchase permit or a NC concealed carry permit.

That is the result of a law (patterned after the NY Sullivan Act) from 1912 which was intended to keep handguns out of the hands of black citizens. My group (GRNC) is working to eliminate that law. We almost had it done in the last legislative session.

Originally, I believe that the Brady law requirements on youth handgun safety act notification only applied to FFL dealers. Now it apparently applies to C&R sales to private individuals (handguns, shotguns, and rifles).

11-24-2013, 09:12 AM	#1
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	C&R License Sales Requirement... In reading some recent materials from the ATF, I ran across this information: "Licensees do not have to provide a copy of the Youth Handgun Safety Act to another licensee. Each licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector who delivers a handgun to a nonlicensee shall provide this notice." www.atf.gov/files/training/firearms/0924-webinar-firearms-accountability-questions-and-answers.pdf So, if you hold a C&R license and sell a handgun to a non-licensee, you have to provide a copy of the brochure about the "Youth Handgun Safety Act" to them... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-24-2013, 09:23 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,928 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	One of the FAQ questions says that you don't have to display or give these out. Is this a new rule? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-24-2013, 10:58 AM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Must be something "re-interpreted" since it appeared in a September 2013 newsletter from the ATF. I wasn't aware of the requirement before this notice. In any case, the form is available online here: http://www.atf.gov/files/publication...f-i-5300-2.pdf __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-25-2013, 09:52 AM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	In North Carolina I can sell to a private individual as long as I follow state law. State law says that the NC Resident buyer must have a Sheriff issued pistol purchase permit or a NC concealed carry permit. That is the result of a law (patterned after the NY Sullivan Act) from 1912 which was intended to keep handguns out of the hands of black citizens. My group (GRNC) is working to eliminate that law. We almost had it done in the last legislative session. Originally, I believe that the Brady law requirements on youth handgun safety act notification only applied to FFL dealers. Now it apparently applies to C&R sales to private individuals (handguns, shotguns, and rifles). __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-24-2013, 12:58 PM	#4
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Thanks Marc, I had an FFL 01, Dealers license from 1962 until around 1975, and it seems like on a regular basis I would receive publications on new laws or changes to existing laws from the BATF, and after getting my second call from an Agent with the FBI informing me they wanted to review my records I decided whatever discounts I was getting from the manufacturers and other businesses wasn't worth the hassle and as I wasn't in the firearms business anyway, just had the license to further my hobby, I relinquished it and sent them my records as requested. I currently have a C&R FFL 03 as many forum members also do and would hate to loose it or worse due to an innocent mistake. Lon

11-24-2013, 01:10 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,928 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	Marc in states back East, you can't sell directly to a non licensee, although where I grew up in Washington or In Oklahoma or Colorado et cetera you can buy and sell private sales.

11-24-2013, 01:45 PM	#6
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	"In state back east" of in SOME states back east...??? thanks Jack

11-24-2013, 02:41 PM	#7
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 656 Thanks: 361 Thanked 1,175 Times in 393 Posts	The requirement to display and provide a copy of the "youth handgun safety act" notice has been in effect since the implementation of the Brady law. Even though the "assault" weapons ban and mag cap restrictions have sunsetted, many of the other regulations are still in effect.