Examples of All Six G-Date Lugers

Frank · 09-21-2004, 06:36 PM

Hi Guys, I thought I would share some of my happiness with the Forum. I have managed to accumulate all six of the G-Date Variations. Three have been "donated" by members of the Forum, to whom I am indebted. As many of you know, from my research on G-Dates, some variations are difficult to find, since not many were so marked and no one knows just how many exist. So enjoy!!

John D. · 09-21-2004, 07:02 PM

Frank....

ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Now, while Ron will tell you they are "reproduction" Loogers - frankly, Frank - they look outstanding to me!!!

Thanks for the picture - and the post!!!

John D.

Thor · 09-21-2004, 07:02 PM

Super cool and I love that picture, very well done sir!

lugercollector · 09-21-2004, 07:58 PM

Hey Frank.....Really nice display!!!Congratulations!!!...Those guns all look to be in very good condition.....

Leon DeSpain · 09-21-2004, 08:36 PM

Great!!!! Frank

ToggleTop · 09-21-2004, 08:37 PM

Hello Frank,

Very nice collection of the G-Date variations. Thanks for pointing them out. I can't keep all of the different acceptance marks in my head. I guess it is to small! I don't know what it is about lugers but they are just downright different and beautiful to the eyes. I never get tired of looking at them.

Thank You,

Ron Wood · 09-21-2004, 11:43 PM

Frank,
That is fantastic! I donÃ¢??t care if they are Ã¢??reprosÃ¢?Â

, that is a terrific accomplishment. I hope everyone appreciates how difficult it is to put together a representative set like this. It is a feat to be admired and my hat is off to you. Congratulations on a job well done.

Railsplitter · 09-22-2004, 03:51 AM

Talk about eye candy!!

jamese · 09-22-2004, 05:53 AM

Very Nice Frank,

I think a group like that should have a more fitting gun display rack. Something made from oak, or teak...

Jim

Frank · 09-22-2004, 09:22 AM

Thanks!! I appreciate your comments. It took a while, but it was worth the effort. They all have matching numbers and two (the two B|90) have matching magazines.

It's an interesting progression of inspecters from the K-Date B|90 & S|91 through the double DE/63. They settled down for a long haul through the 1936 into the mid 1937 year, then SE/63 came to town until the end of 1939. Probably the same inspection team, but just a change in the die from DE to SE.

Ron Smith · 09-22-2004, 09:26 AM

MAN! In my dreams. A nice collection.

Ron

Dwight Gruber · 09-22-2004, 10:13 AM

Frank,

Very nice to be reminded of the satisfaction and impressiveness in setting a goal in the collection of Lugers, rather than just buying them willy-nilly, congratulations.

"Probably the same inspection team, but just a change in the die from DE to SE."

Is it just a different die, or a change in the chief inspector to whom the imspection team reports?

--Dwight

John Sabato · 09-22-2004, 12:35 PM

Just one word Frank... WOW!

Strider · 09-22-2004, 01:55 PM

That is one great collection. Congrats on getting it put together and thanks for sharing it with us. I think everyone here would like to get a collection like that put together of their prefered variations. Even if they are of the prototype versions.

Sid.

Frank · 09-22-2004, 03:23 PM

Dwight, it is my theory!! If you examine other Luger items, such as holsters, you will find that the DE was also changed to a SE in the 1937 time frame. So the question is, which is more important, the symbol or the number (or both).

My guess would be that each inspection team reported to head inspector that had a number associated with his authority.

A copy of German Ordnance Codes shows inspector 63 was at Mauser beginning in 1935 and left in 1940. Inspector 655 came on line in 1940 and left in 1941. Then, inspector 135 finished the Mauser Lugers, but stayed at Mauser until 1944.

Russ · 09-22-2004, 09:09 PM

Frank
That is realy nice!!!!!!!

Russ

RockinWR · 09-22-2004, 09:22 PM

Frank,
* Roger that's a "WOW"; like in "WOW-WEE-WOW".
* Concur the dE to sE was a die change unrelated to the Inspection Team constituents. Hitler's party wanted to eradicate any symbol tied to the Weimar republic. The dE was a Weimar style eagle. Took them a couple of years; but, the Nazi style stick eagle was finally incorporated by 1937.
* So why so many Army Inspector teams getting their hands on "G" date Lugers when the balance of the Production years display a more balanced progression of orderly evolution? My WAG is the Waffenamt was training their Inspectors in 1935 and Mauser was one of the companies chosen to enable this expansion of new/cross training.
* An interesting exercise is to see the migration of the 6 Inspection teams to other manufacturing facilities across Germany. We know the "63" team stayed @ Mauser till late 1939. What happen to the other 5 inspector teams?? A quick review of Richard Law's BOTW-98k shows the Mauser plant in Borsigwalde began producing 98k rifles in Berlin in late 1935. The Inspection team mark found almost universally from 1935-1937 is our team "211". As a side bar. some very, very few "cyq" Spreewerk P.38's are found with e/211 accepted small parts in approximately 1942.
* Anyone have a line on the other four Inspection teams (B90, S91, S92, & W/154) relative to where they were subsequently assigned after their 1935 Luger foray??
Respectfully,
Bob

Edward Tinker · 09-23-2004, 12:56 AM

Wonderful!

Ed

kidvett · 09-23-2004, 10:23 PM

Frank,

Very Impressive !! And I mean VERY !! CONGRATS <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Quite an acomplishement you have there....I can imagine all the time, efforts, etc put forward to get them all together......

Variations in the proofmarks, study & explanations on them is also quite interesting.....especially those ``6`` Variations of the same production year.....

CONGRATS

MARK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Bob in OH · 09-23-2004, 10:28 PM

Frank- What was collecting timeframe over which these were acquired? Thxs...Bob

09-21-2004, 06:36 PM	#1
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Examples of All Six G-Date Lugers Hi Guys, I thought I would share some of my happiness with the Forum. I have managed to accumulate all six of the G-Date Variations. Three have been "donated" by members of the Forum, to whom I am indebted. As many of you know, from my research on G-Dates, some variations are difficult to find, since not many were so marked and no one knows just how many exist. So enjoy!!

09-21-2004, 07:02 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Super cool and I love that picture, very well done sir! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-21-2004, 08:37 PM	#6
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Frank, Very nice collection of the G-Date variations. Thanks for pointing them out. I can't keep all of the different acceptance marks in my head. I guess it is to small! I don't know what it is about lugers but they are just downright different and beautiful to the eyes. I never get tired of looking at them. Thank You, __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

09-21-2004, 11:43 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Frank, That is fantastic! I donÃ¢??t care if they are Ã¢??reprosÃ¢?Â , that is a terrific accomplishment. I hope everyone appreciates how difficult it is to put together a representative set like this. It is a feat to be admired and my hat is off to you. Congratulations on a job well done. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-22-2004, 05:53 AM	#9
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Very Nice Frank, I think a group like that should have a more fitting gun display rack. Something made from oak, or teak... Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

09-21-2004, 07:02 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Frank.... ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Now, while Ron will tell you they are "reproduction" Loogers - frankly, Frank - they look outstanding to me!!! Thanks for the picture - and the post!!! John D.

09-21-2004, 07:58 PM	#4
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Hey Frank.....Really nice display!!!Congratulations!!!...Those guns all look to be in very good condition.....

09-21-2004, 08:36 PM	#5
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Great!!!! Frank

09-22-2004, 03:51 AM	#8
Railsplitter User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts	Talk about eye candy!!

09-22-2004, 09:22 AM	#10
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Thanks!! I appreciate your comments. It took a while, but it was worth the effort. They all have matching numbers and two (the two B\|90) have matching magazines. It's an interesting progression of inspecters from the K-Date B\|90 & S\|91 through the double DE/63. They settled down for a long haul through the 1936 into the mid 1937 year, then SE/63 came to town until the end of 1939. Probably the same inspection team, but just a change in the die from DE to SE.

09-22-2004, 09:26 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	MAN! In my dreams. A nice collection. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-22-2004, 10:13 AM	#12
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Frank, Very nice to be reminded of the satisfaction and impressiveness in setting a goal in the collection of Lugers, rather than just buying them willy-nilly, congratulations. "Probably the same inspection team, but just a change in the die from DE to SE." Is it just a different die, or a change in the chief inspector to whom the imspection team reports? --Dwight

09-22-2004, 12:35 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Just one word Frank... WOW! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-22-2004, 01:55 PM	#14
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That is one great collection. Congrats on getting it put together and thanks for sharing it with us. I think everyone here would like to get a collection like that put together of their prefered variations. Even if they are of the prototype versions. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

09-22-2004, 03:23 PM	#15
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Dwight, it is my theory!! If you examine other Luger items, such as holsters, you will find that the DE was also changed to a SE in the 1937 time frame. So the question is, which is more important, the symbol or the number (or both). My guess would be that each inspection team reported to head inspector that had a number associated with his authority. A copy of German Ordnance Codes shows inspector 63 was at Mauser beginning in 1935 and left in 1940. Inspector 655 came on line in 1940 and left in 1941. Then, inspector 135 finished the Mauser Lugers, but stayed at Mauser until 1944.

09-22-2004, 09:09 PM	#16
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Frank That is realy nice!!!!!!! Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

09-22-2004, 09:22 PM	#17
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Frank, * Roger that's a "WOW"; like in "WOW-WEE-WOW". * Concur the dE to sE was a die change unrelated to the Inspection Team constituents. Hitler's party wanted to eradicate any symbol tied to the Weimar republic. The dE was a Weimar style eagle. Took them a couple of years; but, the Nazi style stick eagle was finally incorporated by 1937. * So why so many Army Inspector teams getting their hands on "G" date Lugers when the balance of the Production years display a more balanced progression of orderly evolution? My WAG is the Waffenamt was training their Inspectors in 1935 and Mauser was one of the companies chosen to enable this expansion of new/cross training. * An interesting exercise is to see the migration of the 6 Inspection teams to other manufacturing facilities across Germany. We know the "63" team stayed @ Mauser till late 1939. What happen to the other 5 inspector teams?? A quick review of Richard Law's BOTW-98k shows the Mauser plant in Borsigwalde began producing 98k rifles in Berlin in late 1935. The Inspection team mark found almost universally from 1935-1937 is our team "211". As a side bar. some very, very few "cyq" Spreewerk P.38's are found with e/211 accepted small parts in approximately 1942. * Anyone have a line on the other four Inspection teams (B90, S91, S92, & W/154) relative to where they were subsequently assigned after their 1935 Luger foray?? Respectfully, Bob

09-23-2004, 12:56 AM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Wonderful! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-23-2004, 10:23 PM	#19
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Frank, Very Impressive !! And I mean VERY !! CONGRATS <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Quite an acomplishement you have there....I can imagine all the time, efforts, etc put forward to get them all together...... Variations in the proofmarks, study & explanations on them is also quite interesting.....especially those ``6`` Variations of the same production year..... CONGRATS MARK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

09-23-2004, 10:28 PM	#20
Bob in OH User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NE OH Posts: 129 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Frank- What was collecting timeframe over which these were acquired? Thxs...Bob