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06-03-2007, 12:26 AM | #1 |
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Aluminum Cal 9mm Mag?
I bet some one has already posted this, but there is an aluminum Cal 9mm magazine on eBay right now---$260 last I looked.
Well, I was going to make a comment on this, but right now I am just speechless. Vern |
06-03-2007, 12:30 AM | #2 |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1
Maybe a practice, template piece...you see lots of phony wooden ones for sale...but those start with a real nice wooden M1900 magazine... Or some "craftsmen" I hear start with an 06/24 Bern wooden magazine and sand the bottom down a bit to get rid of the Bern "ridge" along the middle of the bottom... |
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LugerVern.....we're in the wrong business....
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06-04-2007, 07:08 AM | #4 |
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Some Questions
Could someone please post a clear picture of an original Cal 9mm magazine bottom? More than one example would be great!
Are there legitimate variations in the script? Is there suppose to be a period after the Cal? What kind of plating should be on the tube? Has anyone ever counted the rings on the springs of these early 9mm magazines? Is there anything unique about the magazine follower? What type of wood was used? Was a particular type of oil used, or were they left plain? When were the last Cal 9mm magazines last made (1910)? Were there replacements made at some time, say in the 20â??s for the American or European post war market? I would like to see some pictures in the gallery that show a proper Cal 9mm magazine if someone would be so kind? I am pretty irritated at all the fakery; there are non destructive tests that can be done to sort out most fakes, but first we need to sort out exactly what we are looking for. Most of the answers to the above questions are found in books but rarely in one place. Thanks Vern |
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Vern,
Here are a couple of shots from bottom-views that Members have previously posted and one "spurious" one that appeared and sold on eBay for quite a bit of money. I will let you decide which one that one was... A LF member out of MO state used to publish a Luger parts list where he offered for sale repro Cal 9 m/m magazines...I imagine some of those may be being resold as "originals" in the wrong hands. |
06-04-2007, 11:02 AM | #6 |
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the first one is fake, correct. second one late, third early
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06-04-2007, 06:24 PM | #7 |
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Thanks for posting pics
Thanks Pete!
I needed those pictures of the good ones! I have no problem with reproductions of such things because they are becoming so hard to get and also expensive, for many this is the only way to have a representative magazine. I urge anyone who is contemplating buying one of these magazines as original to first place a picture of it on the forum for review, in the past year I have seen no less than a half dozen fakes, some are obvious fakes and some are not. Thanks Dante I wasnâ??t real sure if there were variations but I suspected there might be. Vern |
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BTW...the two photos I had posted with the "red" colored background are jpegs I got from one of the Navy Cabal fellows. I am pretty sure the owner feels those are legit...
The middle one is the one I plucked off of eBay and I think that was the more modern-day creation...as that seller has posted 3-4 on eBay over a 1 year period...some go for $ 80...others go for over $ 300... |
06-04-2007, 08:54 PM | #9 |
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All the time I have seen these "commerical" Luger mags on eBay, I thought most of them were real. Fortunately, I never bid on one, as I do not own a commerical Luger.
Thanks for posting this info. Joe
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Good discussion. Personally, I think that the "9 Cal" wood bottoms have gone the way of the "Red 9" grips. There are so many fakes out there with so many of them very good, that I wouldn't count on the average collector getting an original. I have seen "Cal 9mm" wood bottoms selling at gun show for as little as $5.
A knowlegable collector might pay more attention to the stem and its parts then to the wood bottom. Watch to see how the metal nail/peg has been placed onto the metal and through the wood. Most counterfeiters will butcher the sides of the stems trying to put the nail/peg through and then flattening the heads. If you see that the job was messed up in that area, then you can be sure that the wood bottom has been at least replaced. While that is no assurance about the originality, warning signals should be apparent. Don't get carried away with emotion and pay a lot just for show purposes on your commercial Luger. Another thing that I have thought about is the nail/peg itself. On at least the WW1 magazines, the nail/peg should be blacked. I may be corrected on this point, but I think that this part was hardened to prevent rust. I don't really know about post WW1 magazines but this is my belief on WW1 and earlier mags. In summary, I wouldn't pay big buckos for a "9 Cal" mag or a "Red 9" set of grips. There are just too many good counterfeiters out there. If the price isn't too bad and you want your Luger to look good, then do it. But always remember that you are buying on emotion and show and not on fact. Just my 2 cents worth of opinion. Big Norm |
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