1902 DWM 7,65mm para Luger

RickJZ · 02-02-2011, 03:00 PM

Hello,
This is my first post on this forum. I was recently given a 1902 7,65mm para Luger by my father. This is my first Luger. The pistol is in 95%-98% condition. I do not have the means to post pics at this time. All parts match on my gun. The pistol also has a barrel length that is longer than four inches. Any info regarding how many DWM produced in 1902 would be appreciated. Lastly, what is the ballpark value of this Luger (not that i am interested in selling)? Thanks in advance for a reply.

Edward Tinker · 02-02-2011, 03:49 PM

Rick, the 1902 and the 1906 are very different.

Can't give even a ballpark without a really good description, and pictures.

Need serial number, condition, if all matching etc.

Otherwise, you are asking for wild guesses.

Ed

RickJZ · 02-02-2011, 04:01 PM

I just finished taking a look at the serial #. It is 17121. The barrel length is slightly over five inches. All parts are matching.

Edward Tinker · 02-02-2011, 04:04 PM

It is likely a 1906 commercial contract

Ed

nukem556 · 02-02-2011, 04:36 PM

according to the database, doesn't that serial # make it a 1900?

residentevil · 02-02-2011, 08:02 PM

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Ron Wood · 02-02-2011, 09:09 PM

The 1906 production began around #25050. Number 17121 would be a Model 1900 With production date probably late 1901/early 1902.

mrerick · 02-02-2011, 09:54 PM

Hi Rick, Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your Luger.

You can get some estimates of retail (replacement) value of your Luger by looking at the Simpson listings. These would be good for insurance purposes.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...49da19d214b5e3

Your 1900 model Luger should have cupped toggle knobs and a leaf (rather than coil) spring. Please confirm this.

Condition and marking details are quite important in Luger collecting. That's why it's very difficult to give you a ballpark estimate of value without seeing the pistol.

Marc

RickJZ · 02-03-2011, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Hi Rick, Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your Luger.

You can get some estimates of retail (replacement) value of your Luger by looking at the Simpson listings. These would be good for insurance purposes.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...49da19d214b5e3

Your 1900 model Luger should have cupped toggle knobs and a leaf (rather than coil) spring. Please confirm this.

Condition and marking details are quite important in Luger collecting. That's why it's very difficult to give you a ballpark estimate of value without seeing the pistol.

Marc

Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. I appreciate your reply regarding my Luger. My pistol does indeed have cupped toggle knobs and a leaf spring. I am definitely going to look into insuring this pistol in the very near future. Also, in the near future, I am going to purchase a digital camera so that I can post pictures. This is really a great forum with a tremendous amount of very informative information.

mrerick · 02-03-2011, 01:48 PM

Rick,

Your father started you out with what surely is a very desirable Luger.

As you may have read elsewhere, these are rather addictive!

Take good care of it. If it is all matching, consider carefully before firing it. Breaking a matching part really drops it's collector interest and financial value.

Marc

RickJZ · 10-03-2011, 07:11 PM

1902 DWM Luger.jpg (90.1 KB)

alanint · 10-03-2011, 10:28 PM

Nice gun. The bottom of the magazine appears to be a home made replacement.

RickJZ · 10-03-2011, 10:35 PM

The magazine is original. The photo of the gun is not the greatest; took it with my cell phone camera.

mrerick · 10-03-2011, 10:44 PM

Hi Rick,

The shape of the wooden base of the magazine is not what you would expect on a factory magazine. While the magazine body and other parts may be original, it's not likely that the wooden magazine base came from DWM. At least I've never seen one with that shape.

On this forum, if he can be of help, Gerald Tomak (G.T.) is an expert on Luger magazines and their restoration.

MFC · 10-04-2011, 12:34 AM

The barrel looks like a standard 4 3/4" 7.65mm.

DaveinTN · 10-04-2011, 12:48 AM

The base of the magazine does look strange. It looks like it might be the original home made/hand carved replacement. Just a hunch.....

RickJZ · 10-04-2011, 02:40 PM

here are a couple more pics

1004111304_0001.jpg (134.4 KB)
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alanint · 10-04-2011, 03:21 PM

The wood base on your magazine is definetily a home-made replacement.

RickJZ · 10-04-2011, 03:44 PM

thanks for the reply. Even with it being a replacement wood base, the workmanship appears to be very good.

DavidJayUden · 10-04-2011, 05:50 PM

As I recall those bases were not numbered to the gun, so you should be able to find a correct one for that mag. Contact GT or the Luger Doc, or post a "wanted" ad on this forum. You asked about values, but keep in mind that the market is not good. About the only ones that actually sell these days are those that are deemed to be a bargain OR there is some emotion involved. I will guess $1600-$2500 based only on some very general phone photos. But, as always, I invite others to correct me on that figure.
dju

02-02-2011, 03:00 PM	#1
RickJZ User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	1902 DWM 7,65mm para Luger Hello, This is my first post on this forum. I was recently given a 1902 7,65mm para Luger by my father. This is my first Luger. The pistol is in 95%-98% condition. I do not have the means to post pics at this time. All parts match on my gun. The pistol also has a barrel length that is longer than four inches. Any info regarding how many DWM produced in 1902 would be appreciated. Lastly, what is the ballpark value of this Luger (not that i am interested in selling)? Thanks in advance for a reply.

02-02-2011, 04:04 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	It is likely a 1906 commercial contract Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-02-2011, 09:09 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	The 1906 production began around #25050. Number 17121 would be a Model 1900 With production date probably late 1901/early 1902. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-02-2011, 09:54 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi Rick, Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your Luger. You can get some estimates of retail (replacement) value of your Luger by looking at the Simpson listings. These would be good for insurance purposes. http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...49da19d214b5e3 Your 1900 model Luger should have cupped toggle knobs and a leaf (rather than coil) spring. Please confirm this. Condition and marking details are quite important in Luger collecting. That's why it's very difficult to give you a ballpark estimate of value without seeing the pistol. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-03-2011, 01:48 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Rick, Your father started you out with what surely is a very desirable Luger. As you may have read elsewhere, these are rather addictive! Take good care of it. If it is all matching, consider carefully before firing it. Breaking a matching part really drops it's collector interest and financial value. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-02-2011, 03:49 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,929 Thanks: 2,029 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	Rick, the 1902 and the 1906 are very different. Can't give even a ballpark without a really good description, and pictures. Need serial number, condition, if all matching etc. Otherwise, you are asking for wild guesses. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-02-2011, 04:01 PM	#3
RickJZ User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	I just finished taking a look at the serial #. It is 17121. The barrel length is slightly over five inches. All parts are matching.

02-02-2011, 04:36 PM	#5
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	according to the database, doesn't that serial # make it a 1900?

02-02-2011, 08:02 PM	#6
residentevil Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: England Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Deleted by Moderator

10-03-2011, 07:11 PM	#11
RickJZ User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	1902 DWM Luger.jpg (90.1 KB) Attached Thumbnails

10-03-2011, 10:28 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Nice gun. The bottom of the magazine appears to be a home made replacement.

10-03-2011, 10:35 PM	#13
RickJZ User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	The magazine is original. The photo of the gun is not the greatest; took it with my cell phone camera.

10-03-2011, 10:44 PM	#14
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi Rick, The shape of the wooden base of the magazine is not what you would expect on a factory magazine. While the magazine body and other parts may be original, it's not likely that the wooden magazine base came from DWM. At least I've never seen one with that shape. On this forum, if he can be of help, Gerald Tomak (G.T.) is an expert on Luger magazines and their restoration. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-04-2011, 12:34 AM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	The barrel looks like a standard 4 3/4" 7.65mm. __________________ Mike C.

10-04-2011, 12:48 AM	#16
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	The base of the magazine does look strange. It looks like it might be the original home made/hand carved replacement. Just a hunch..... Attached Images

10-04-2011, 02:40 PM	#17
RickJZ User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	here are a couple more pics 1004111304_0001.jpg (134.4 KB) 1004111306_0001.jpg (101.5 KB) Attached Thumbnails

10-04-2011, 03:21 PM	#18
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The wood base on your magazine is definetily a home-made replacement.

10-04-2011, 03:44 PM	#19
RickJZ User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 7 Posts	thanks for the reply. Even with it being a replacement wood base, the workmanship appears to be very good.

10-04-2011, 05:50 PM	#20
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	As I recall those bases were not numbered to the gun, so you should be able to find a correct one for that mag. Contact GT or the Luger Doc, or post a "wanted" ad on this forum. You asked about values, but keep in mind that the market is not good. About the only ones that actually sell these days are those that are deemed to be a bargain OR there is some emotion involved. I will guess $1600-$2500 based only on some very general phone photos. But, as always, I invite others to correct me on that figure. dju