20mm drum magazine

MP38 · 01-25-2012, 01:52 PM

Got this 20mm drum mag, and I'm exactly sure what it's off of? Also would like to know what it's currently worth today?
It is maker marked, "dfb" and has several waffenampts on it, including "eagel/2", "Lufteagle/2", and "Lufteagle/F"
Thanks for any help,

Matt

alanint · 01-25-2012, 03:42 PM

This looks like a derivative of the Swiss Oerlikon's feeding drum, which was widely licensed or copied by other nations.

MP38 · 01-25-2012, 06:46 PM

Do you know which gun it would have been used with in German use then?

Matt

alanint · 01-25-2012, 07:00 PM

I was guessing either the Flak 30 or 38, but I think they were both magazine fed.

As suggested earlier, visit the MVPA site and post photos for opinions and offers.

MP38 · 01-25-2012, 07:09 PM

Yea, I believe those are both magazine fed as well. I was thinking this could possibly be off of an aircraft that used a 20mm cannon? The Luftampts would suggest that as well.

I visited the site you mentioned. However, I can't post there without being a member. Also, there really isn't a lot of traffic on that site.

Any idea of value of this drum mag though?

Thanks,

Matt

alanint · 01-25-2012, 07:42 PM

Contact my friend Jon Shoop with all these inquiries. Jon is a major vehicle collector and can help guide you to the people who may be interested in all these items.

Tell Jon Doug Andrews from "The List" sent you. Jon is straight up and I am sure he will point you in the right direction.

shoop19@brick.net

MP38 · 01-26-2012, 10:19 AM

Doug,

Thank you very much for the contact info! I'll contact Jon right away.

Thanks again,
Matt

MP38 · 01-26-2012, 11:14 PM

Did some searching and found out that this is a drum magazine for an MG FF 20mm cannon. It was used by the Luftwaffe from 1935. By 1941 it was gradually being replaced by the MG151/20. It was used on several aircraft such as the Me-109E3-F1, the FW190A1-A5, the Ju88, He-111, Do17, Do217, as well as many other aircraft. Later in the war it made a comback in the Me110 night fighters. Many G-series night fighters were retrofitted or factory-built with the Schräge Musik off-bore gun system, firing upward at an oblique angle for shooting down bombers while passing underneath, frequently equipped with two 20 mm MG FF/M. They fit perfectly to the back of the rear cockpit!

Now, having figured out what it's for, what you guys think it's worth?

Matt

alanint · 01-27-2012, 06:50 AM

That all depends on whether there is a registered, live gun out there. If someone has a live gun, then the drum would be worth alot to them. Perhaps several Thousand dolllars.
I would take this over to the machinegun sites, (www.subguns.com and www.sturmgewehr.com) and post it on their forums. If there is a gun owner out there this may smoke him out. The alternative is to donate it to the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio or the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum and take a hefty tax write-off

01-25-2012, 01:52 PM	#1
MP38 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 464 Thanks: 36 Thanked 113 Times in 60 Posts	20mm drum magazine Got this 20mm drum mag, and I'm exactly sure what it's off of? Also would like to know what it's currently worth today? It is maker marked, "dfb" and has several waffenampts on it, including "eagel/2", "Lufteagle/2", and "Lufteagle/F" Thanks for any help, Matt Attached Thumbnails

01-25-2012, 03:42 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	This looks like a derivative of the Swiss Oerlikon's feeding drum, which was widely licensed or copied by other nations.

01-25-2012, 06:46 PM	#3
MP38 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 464 Thanks: 36 Thanked 113 Times in 60 Posts	Do you know which gun it would have been used with in German use then? Matt

01-25-2012, 07:00 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I was guessing either the Flak 30 or 38, but I think they were both magazine fed. As suggested earlier, visit the MVPA site and post photos for opinions and offers.

01-25-2012, 07:09 PM	#5
MP38 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 464 Thanks: 36 Thanked 113 Times in 60 Posts	Yea, I believe those are both magazine fed as well. I was thinking this could possibly be off of an aircraft that used a 20mm cannon? The Luftampts would suggest that as well. I visited the site you mentioned. However, I can't post there without being a member. Also, there really isn't a lot of traffic on that site. Any idea of value of this drum mag though? Thanks, Matt

01-25-2012, 07:42 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Contact my friend Jon Shoop with all these inquiries. Jon is a major vehicle collector and can help guide you to the people who may be interested in all these items. Tell Jon Doug Andrews from "The List" sent you. Jon is straight up and I am sure he will point you in the right direction. shoop19@brick.net

01-26-2012, 10:19 AM	#7
MP38 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 464 Thanks: 36 Thanked 113 Times in 60 Posts	Doug, Thank you very much for the contact info! I'll contact Jon right away. Thanks again, Matt

01-26-2012, 11:14 PM	#8
MP38 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 464 Thanks: 36 Thanked 113 Times in 60 Posts	Did some searching and found out that this is a drum magazine for an MG FF 20mm cannon. It was used by the Luftwaffe from 1935. By 1941 it was gradually being replaced by the MG151/20. It was used on several aircraft such as the Me-109E3-F1, the FW190A1-A5, the Ju88, He-111, Do17, Do217, as well as many other aircraft. Later in the war it made a comback in the Me110 night fighters. Many G-series night fighters were retrofitted or factory-built with the Schräge Musik off-bore gun system, firing upward at an oblique angle for shooting down bombers while passing underneath, frequently equipped with two 20 mm MG FF/M. They fit perfectly to the back of the rear cockpit! Now, having figured out what it's for, what you guys think it's worth? Matt

01-27-2012, 06:50 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	That all depends on whether there is a registered, live gun out there. If someone has a live gun, then the drum would be worth alot to them. Perhaps several Thousand dolllars. I would take this over to the machinegun sites, (www.subguns.com and www.sturmgewehr.com) and post it on their forums. If there is a gun owner out there this may smoke him out. The alternative is to donate it to the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio or the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum and take a hefty tax write-off