Another Mysterious Deaths Head Luger surfaces...

John Sabato · 09-23-2002, 02:02 PM

Here is one that just appeared on Gunbroker...

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=5474043

Ron Wood · 09-23-2002, 02:12 PM

Either this one has been up for sale before or it is the second Death Head to show up with a 1918/20 marking on the chamber.

Ron Wood · 09-23-2002, 02:48 PM

Yep, its the same one. Pete Ebbink posted a link to it on Gunbroker back on 05/19/02

John Sabato · 09-23-2002, 03:53 PM

Nice catch Ron!... I thought the unusual date/property mark looked familiar, but I wasn't sure...

kidvett · 09-23-2002, 09:31 PM

Did they used Arty's to do the Death Heads Reworks?

This one sports an Arty receiver....

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

Ron Wood · 09-23-2002, 09:40 PM

Nope. After 1916 most Erfurt frames had the sight notch whether they were artillery or standard. An economy in production no doubt. This Death Head is an Erfurt, you can tell from the proofmarks.

Thor · 09-23-2002, 09:40 PM

Looks like Erfurt proofs and most late Erfurts had the reciever groove even on the 4" models. Salt blue on the trigger and safety are wrong of course. Interesting comments about dealer comments to fortify sales pitch!

Pete Ebbink · 09-23-2002, 11:02 PM

Hey Ted,

I wondered about that too,..the seller sort of using the "(Bob ro Brad) Simpson" name as a bit of an endorsement...to add authenticity to the piece...

Quote from the ad : " Simpson has seen the gun, and commented that it looked the same as all the rest he has seen. "

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Greg · 09-24-2002, 07:21 AM

Yeah, right! Looks the same as what?? Like fakes, or authenticated pieces, he's (Mr. Simpson) seen ??

Too much left between the lines. [img]confused.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 09-24-2002, 10:08 AM

Quite right Greg,... the line doesn't say what Simpson's impression was, only that he has seen it and that it looks similar to others he has seen. Nothing there from which to infer authenticity... just a feeble attempt at implying authenticity. Nice catch guys.

Ron Wood · 09-24-2002, 10:15 AM

As I recall, on the old forum this gun was discussed at length and the general conclusion was that it is a mongrel. It has a Mauser frame (note the hump) but probably does have an authentic DH Erfurt cannon.

09-23-2002, 02:02 PM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Another Mysterious Deaths Head Luger surfaces... Here is one that just appeared on Gunbroker... http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=5474043 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-23-2002, 02:12 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Either this one has been up for sale before or it is the second Death Head to show up with a 1918/20 marking on the chamber. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-23-2002, 02:48 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Yep, its the same one. Pete Ebbink posted a link to it on Gunbroker back on 05/19/02 __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-23-2002, 03:53 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Nice catch Ron!... I thought the unusual date/property mark looked familiar, but I wasn't sure... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-23-2002, 09:40 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Nope. After 1916 most Erfurt frames had the sight notch whether they were artillery or standard. An economy in production no doubt. This Death Head is an Erfurt, you can tell from the proofmarks. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-23-2002, 09:31 PM	#5
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Did they used Arty's to do the Death Heads Reworks? This one sports an Arty receiver.... kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

09-23-2002, 09:40 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Looks like Erfurt proofs and most late Erfurts had the reciever groove even on the 4" models. Salt blue on the trigger and safety are wrong of course. Interesting comments about dealer comments to fortify sales pitch! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-23-2002, 11:02 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Ted, I wondered about that too,..the seller sort of using the "(Bob ro Brad) Simpson" name as a bit of an endorsement...to add authenticity to the piece... Quote from the ad : " Simpson has seen the gun, and commented that it looked the same as all the rest he has seen. " Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

09-24-2002, 07:21 AM	#9
Greg User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yeah, right! Looks the same as what?? Like fakes, or authenticated pieces, he's (Mr. Simpson) seen ?? Too much left between the lines. [img]confused.gif[/img]

09-24-2002, 10:08 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Quite right Greg,... the line doesn't say what Simpson's impression was, only that he has seen it and that it looks similar to others he has seen. Nothing there from which to infer authenticity... just a feeble attempt at implying authenticity. Nice catch guys. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-24-2002, 10:15 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	As I recall, on the old forum this gun was discussed at length and the general conclusion was that it is a mongrel. It has a Mauser frame (note the hump) but probably does have an authentic DH Erfurt cannon. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction