I'm new & confused

Badmoonrisen · 05-13-2010, 10:00 PM

My father in law passed on last summer, he didn't serve in WWII so where this P08 came from is a mystery. The wife said he had TWO of them sequenceally (?) numbered. I moved her family from CT to MO last fall. I found all the long rifles, and a 1974 S&W 38/357 revolver. No lugers. He told my wife he dismantled one then threw it out because it fired itself. As her brothers were all felons I decided they were gone. I'm a Maintenance/Electronics Tech and I have tons of tools kept inside 2 roll around toolchests. I inherited a small roll around from her Dad, I glanced in the drawers and rolled it into the corner of my shop...it sat there for 2 months. After going through the drawers I was removing trash from the lower end of it and found wrapped in a rag the pistol grip of a Luger!!! I then fine toothed combed the whole box. I ended up with all the parts for a luger with the exception of a grip screw, locking lever, and the firing pin spring retainer (there was a brass thing I believe he was trying to use in its place which would explain the firing itself) I'll have to take better pics to post.

DWM on top toggle

ON front of strap (Unit Mark?) S. AT. II 1416

Waffenant Acceptance Mark on right side of slide...
...wide eagle stamp with W2A66 under it
Also on right side of slide....
....narrower eagle with H under it

On the left side of slide is the crowned N with a M 91 to the right of it

M91 is on the front of the trigger guard

91 is stamped on All the parts except the above mentioned missing parts which I purchased from SARCO Arms in NJ

I assembled the pistol, loaded it, and emptied the mag...it worked flawlessly.

The mag has a alloy (alum colored) butt plug with 6334 stamped on it...it has P08 ... fxo ...a small eagle with 37 under it stamped on the closed side of the mag.

I've been told lots of things from lots of folks and after looking at your markings section I'll let you guys tell me what this thing is.

Thank-you for your time.
...........................................Pete

Badmoonrisen · 05-13-2010, 10:03 PM

PS

Crowned N with M91 on bottom of barrel

It has the stamped GESICHERT safety in the up position

Thanx again

Edward Tinker · 05-13-2010, 11:10 PM

Pete, would love to see close up, clear pictures of this M91 ??

Ed

PS: welcome to the forum!

Badmoonrisen · 05-14-2010, 08:02 PM

photos of markings

Edward Tinker · 05-14-2010, 08:28 PM

cool, saw your PM to me, no reason to send pictures.

Totally wrong, unusual and cool.

Ed

goldwing · 04-25-2011, 10:02 PM

Badmoonrisen, Thanks for your msgs, Your M91 is marked just like my M81. Maybe someday we will find out what this is all about. Bill Hughes

Don M · 04-26-2011, 10:32 AM

Pete, the photo of the grip strap marking is fuzzy but I believe it is S.Al.II.1416. If so, it is from the Schutzpolizei (Prussian state police) of the administrative district of Allenstein in East Prussia. Markings from this police unit are extremely rare since this region was overrun by the Russians in early 1945. In fact, this is the only Luger I know of with this marking. The two other examples I am aware of are on a loading tool and a holster. Is it possible for you to get a clearer photo of the marking?

The acceptances on the right side of the receiver (E/H & E/WaA66) are typical of those found on many 29 DWMs.

Bill, does your Luger also have a grip strap marking?

Badmoonrisen · 04-26-2011, 02:51 PM

Don...i don't have a better picture yet but I'll try when i get home....Looking at the unit mark it might be an I, you can definitely see the top horizontal line on it but not the bottom one.

Thanx..............Pete

goldwing · 04-26-2011, 03:15 PM

Don. sadly my p08 does not have any unit markings. Bill

05-13-2010, 10:00 PM	#1
Badmoonrisen User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm new & confused My father in law passed on last summer, he didn't serve in WWII so where this P08 came from is a mystery. The wife said he had TWO of them sequenceally (?) numbered. I moved her family from CT to MO last fall. I found all the long rifles, and a 1974 S&W 38/357 revolver. No lugers. He told my wife he dismantled one then threw it out because it fired itself. As her brothers were all felons I decided they were gone. I'm a Maintenance/Electronics Tech and I have tons of tools kept inside 2 roll around toolchests. I inherited a small roll around from her Dad, I glanced in the drawers and rolled it into the corner of my shop...it sat there for 2 months. After going through the drawers I was removing trash from the lower end of it and found wrapped in a rag the pistol grip of a Luger!!! I then fine toothed combed the whole box. I ended up with all the parts for a luger with the exception of a grip screw, locking lever, and the firing pin spring retainer (there was a brass thing I believe he was trying to use in its place which would explain the firing itself) I'll have to take better pics to post. DWM on top toggle ON front of strap (Unit Mark?) S. AT. II 1416 Waffenant Acceptance Mark on right side of slide... ...wide eagle stamp with W2A66 under it Also on right side of slide.... ....narrower eagle with H under it On the left side of slide is the crowned N with a M 91 to the right of it M91 is on the front of the trigger guard 91 is stamped on All the parts except the above mentioned missing parts which I purchased from SARCO Arms in NJ I assembled the pistol, loaded it, and emptied the mag...it worked flawlessly. The mag has a alloy (alum colored) butt plug with 6334 stamped on it...it has P08 ... fxo ...a small eagle with 37 under it stamped on the closed side of the mag. I've been told lots of things from lots of folks and after looking at your markings section I'll let you guys tell me what this thing is. Thank-you for your time. ...........................................Pete Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Badmoonrisen; 05-13-2010 at 10:42 PM. Reason: Added Pic's

05-13-2010, 11:10 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Pete, would love to see close up, clear pictures of this M91 ?? Ed PS: welcome to the forum! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-14-2010, 08:02 PM	#4
Badmoonrisen User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	photos of markings Attached Thumbnails

05-14-2010, 08:28 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	cool, saw your PM to me, no reason to send pictures. Totally wrong, unusual and cool. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-26-2011, 10:32 AM	#7
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Pete, the photo of the grip strap marking is fuzzy but I believe it is S.Al.II.1416. If so, it is from the Schutzpolizei (Prussian state police) of the administrative district of Allenstein in East Prussia. Markings from this police unit are extremely rare since this region was overrun by the Russians in early 1945. In fact, this is the only Luger I know of with this marking. The two other examples I am aware of are on a loading tool and a holster. Is it possible for you to get a clearer photo of the marking? The acceptances on the right side of the receiver (E/H & E/WaA66) are typical of those found on many 29 DWMs. Bill, does your Luger also have a grip strap marking? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com Last edited by Don M; 04-26-2011 at 10:39 AM. Reason: Add comment about acceptances

05-13-2010, 10:03 PM	#2
Badmoonrisen User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	PS Crowned N with M91 on bottom of barrel It has the stamped GESICHERT safety in the up position Thanx again

04-25-2011, 10:02 PM	#6
goldwing User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Upper South Carolina Posts: 92 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts	Badmoonrisen, Thanks for your msgs, Your M91 is marked just like my M81. Maybe someday we will find out what this is all about. Bill Hughes

04-26-2011, 02:51 PM	#8
Badmoonrisen User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don...i don't have a better picture yet but I'll try when i get home....Looking at the unit mark it might be an I, you can definitely see the top horizontal line on it but not the bottom one. Thanx..............Pete

04-26-2011, 03:15 PM	#9
goldwing User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Upper South Carolina Posts: 92 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts	Don. sadly my p08 does not have any unit markings. Bill