Fantasy Uhlan Luger holster

lugerholsterrepair · 01-10-2004, 09:59 PM

Fellows, Don't be fooled into believing this holster was ever issued to German troops. It is a fantasy piece dreamed up by International military antiques inc. and offered in Shotgun News, Jan 1, vol 58,issue #1, page 68. $50.00 plus shipping. $6.50.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2217221088

Offered on eBay this type of holster has been around for decades but it is not original in any way. Supposedly issued to German Cavalry and is left hand draw. The Cavalry saber was for the right hand! International military antiques inc. will sell you one much cheaper than the one on eBay is already up to.

Take a look at the back belt loops on the eBay holster and it immediately screams fake. Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 01-10-2004, 11:33 PM

Jerry,
You have to admit, it has been quite artfully aged, just like the LP08 holster he also has for sale. Looks like he has the "oldy moldy" process down pat. And boy, are they rare and unique! Did you notice that both holsters have exactly the same maker mark..."Arhoffma Berlin 1916"...what are the chances of that?!! How anyone could be taken in with these holsters beats the heck out of me, and yet prices are already out of line and the current high bidder for the "Ulan" holster is a major dealer! (Please, no remarks about the dealer from those of you who know him). These holsters are definitely P.T. Barnum specials.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-10-2004, 11:49 PM

Ron, How right you are! I did not see the Artillery untill you mentioned it but he does seem to have the aging process down, or what he percieves to be aging. I have seen holsters that are 100 years old that look very nice but these specimens look as if they came out of a swamp.

You will notice the spare mag pouch sewn onto the front of this holster is not notched at the top as is the one on the spine.

The chances of the maker mark being the same are surprisingly good considering they were made by the same repro outfit.

I too was surprised to look at the bidder list to see some familiar names. I cannot emagine what these people must be thinking. I would think they would know better or perhaps they want it for a novelty. Inquiring minds want to know! Jerry Burney

Jerry · 01-11-2004, 08:11 AM

You should see his P38 holsters sure made to look
old.He plays dumb when asked a question...Jerry

policeluger · 01-13-2004, 03:18 PM

Jerry, I very humble ask, as I do not know about this holster and as we do not know each other, but it just closed at $512.00. Could there be more too this holster then your first post here? please understand no flamming here, but what is going on with Luger holsters that bring this kind of money?

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2004, 03:29 PM

Guys,

As I recall the folks from CMR International sell these, new, as nice "repro" units for not a lot of money.

Maybe this enterprising fellow just adds the "aging process" to fool folks thinking they are buying a rare old piece and to separate them from their hard earned cash.

Just a WAG on my part...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Thor · 01-13-2004, 05:35 PM

IMA offered them at one time, but they are no longer listed. IMA website Click Here

lugerholsterrepair · 01-13-2004, 05:40 PM

PoliceLuger and all other interested parties...No, There is nothing to this holster other that it is not known to many people because it is pure fantasy and was never issued to anyone in the German Army or any other German unit. It is not found in any of a dozen Luger holster publications because it does not exist except in the mind of IMA or Sarco or other's known to offer this spurious dream World piece. Nor is there any known period photograph showing a German Cavalryman using this type of holster.

The holster shown in the photo's on eBay is easy to spot as a fake just by looking at it. It's all in the details and holsters made during this period were not that much different. This one stands out like a diamond in a goats ass.

I am constantly amazed at how easy it is to seperate collectors from their hard earned cash. It has been said many times on this Forum, buy a book or two or get on line and look into something before handing over your money. P.T. Barnam said it years ago and he was right...$512.00 is a bit of cash in anyone's mind and to simply throw it away on this curiosity is criminal. You can buy a pretty nice original holster for this kind of money. Besides, this holster can be had for only $56.00, shipping included and you can age it for free.I can't wait to go to eBay and see what fool bought it. I hope I don't know him. Jerry Burney

lugerholsterrepair · 01-13-2004, 05:43 PM

Thor, They were listed as of Jan 1 in Shotgun News by IMA Jerry Burney

Thor · 01-13-2004, 05:53 PM

DUH, I CAINT READ 2 GUDDDDDDDDDDDddd

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2004, 06:26 PM

Hello Jerry,

Sent you a PM just now...regarding the Audley holster...

And no, I did not bid on this holster in question...

Regards,

Pete <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

lugerholsterrepair · 01-13-2004, 11:20 PM

Pete, Yes, I got it and replyed. No one I know would be crazy enough to bid on that monstrocity. Come to think of it I do know one or two of those guys......Still amazes me...Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 01-22-2004, 08:50 PM

Here is the holster that CMR folks sell as new...wonder if some guy is starting with these and then making them an "historical & authentic" piece...?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976330608.htm

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John -Melb · 01-23-2004, 03:34 AM

Sorry to change the subject for second fellas but, can anyone give me an opinion on the quality of stuff being sold by IMA? I'm thinking of getting one of their .303 mounted infantry bandoliers. Are they an honest representation of the real thing or are they cheap and nasty?
any comments or opinion please.

John Sabato · 01-23-2004, 10:29 AM

I've never seen anything about these so called Lancer Cavalry holsters being authentic, but they sure are a nice looking holster/case that hold 2 magazines for $45.00.

Charles M. Roscoe (CMR) is a member of this forum... I think that I will email him a questions about any provenance regarding the authenticity of the design... I will post his response...

lugerholsterrepair · 01-23-2004, 10:35 PM

Yes John, Please do post his responce to this burning question. I am interested to hear it. La La La La La Te Da......Smiles! Jerry

John Sabato · 01-25-2004, 09:24 PM

Email was sent on Friday the 23rd, no response as yet Jerry, but will post when he does.

Hope you are having a great weekend!

-John S

lugerholsterrepair · 01-26-2004, 12:03 PM

John, Thanks. I appreciate it. Jerry

01-10-2004, 11:33 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Jerry, You have to admit, it has been quite artfully aged, just like the LP08 holster he also has for sale. Looks like he has the "oldy moldy" process down pat. And boy, are they rare and unique! Did you notice that both holsters have exactly the same maker mark..."Arhoffma Berlin 1916"...what are the chances of that?!! How anyone could be taken in with these holsters beats the heck out of me, and yet prices are already out of line and the current high bidder for the "Ulan" holster is a major dealer! (Please, no remarks about the dealer from those of you who know him). These holsters are definitely P.T. Barnum specials. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-10-2004, 11:49 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Ron, How right you are! I did not see the Artillery untill you mentioned it but he does seem to have the aging process down, or what he percieves to be aging. I have seen holsters that are 100 years old that look very nice but these specimens look as if they came out of a swamp. You will notice the spare mag pouch sewn onto the front of this holster is not notched at the top as is the one on the spine. The chances of the maker mark being the same are surprisingly good considering they were made by the same repro outfit. I too was surprised to look at the bidder list to see some familiar names. I cannot emagine what these people must be thinking. I would think they would know better or perhaps they want it for a novelty. Inquiring minds want to know! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-11-2004, 08:11 AM	#4
Jerry Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 126 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	You should see his P38 holsters sure made to look old.He plays dumb when asked a question...Jerry __________________ Jerry

01-13-2004, 05:35 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	IMA offered them at one time, but they are no longer listed. IMA website Click Here __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-13-2004, 05:40 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	PoliceLuger and all other interested parties...No, There is nothing to this holster other that it is not known to many people because it is pure fantasy and was never issued to anyone in the German Army or any other German unit. It is not found in any of a dozen Luger holster publications because it does not exist except in the mind of IMA or Sarco or other's known to offer this spurious dream World piece. Nor is there any known period photograph showing a German Cavalryman using this type of holster. The holster shown in the photo's on eBay is easy to spot as a fake just by looking at it. It's all in the details and holsters made during this period were not that much different. This one stands out like a diamond in a goats ass. I am constantly amazed at how easy it is to seperate collectors from their hard earned cash. It has been said many times on this Forum, buy a book or two or get on line and look into something before handing over your money. P.T. Barnam said it years ago and he was right...$512.00 is a bit of cash in anyone's mind and to simply throw it away on this curiosity is criminal. You can buy a pretty nice original holster for this kind of money. Besides, this holster can be had for only $56.00, shipping included and you can age it for free.I can't wait to go to eBay and see what fool bought it. I hope I don't know him. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-10-2004, 09:59 PM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Fantasy Uhlan Luger holster Fellows, Don't be fooled into believing this holster was ever issued to German troops. It is a fantasy piece dreamed up by International military antiques inc. and offered in Shotgun News, Jan 1, vol 58,issue #1, page 68. $50.00 plus shipping. $6.50. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2217221088 Offered on eBay this type of holster has been around for decades but it is not original in any way. Supposedly issued to German Cavalry and is left hand draw. The Cavalry saber was for the right hand! International military antiques inc. will sell you one much cheaper than the one on eBay is already up to. Take a look at the back belt loops on the eBay holster and it immediately screams fake. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-13-2004, 03:18 PM	#5
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Jerry, I very humble ask, as I do not know about this holster and as we do not know each other, but it just closed at $512.00. Could there be more too this holster then your first post here? please understand no flamming here, but what is going on with Luger holsters that bring this kind of money?

01-13-2004, 03:29 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Guys, As I recall the folks from CMR International sell these, new, as nice "repro" units for not a lot of money. Maybe this enterprising fellow just adds the "aging process" to fool folks thinking they are buying a rare old piece and to separate them from their hard earned cash. Just a WAG on my part... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-13-2004, 05:43 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Thor, They were listed as of Jan 1 in Shotgun News by IMA Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-13-2004, 05:53 PM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	DUH, I CAINT READ 2 GUDDDDDDDDDDDddd __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-13-2004, 06:26 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Jerry, Sent you a PM just now...regarding the Audley holster... And no, I did not bid on this holster in question... Regards, Pete <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-13-2004, 11:20 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Pete, Yes, I got it and replyed. No one I know would be crazy enough to bid on that monstrocity. Come to think of it I do know one or two of those guys......Still amazes me...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-22-2004, 08:50 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is the holster that CMR folks sell as new...wonder if some guy is starting with these and then making them an "historical & authentic" piece...? http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976330608.htm Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-23-2004, 03:34 AM	#14
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry to change the subject for second fellas but, can anyone give me an opinion on the quality of stuff being sold by IMA? I'm thinking of getting one of their .303 mounted infantry bandoliers. Are they an honest representation of the real thing or are they cheap and nasty? any comments or opinion please.

01-23-2004, 10:29 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I've never seen anything about these so called Lancer Cavalry holsters being authentic, but they sure are a nice looking holster/case that hold 2 magazines for $45.00. Charles M. Roscoe (CMR) is a member of this forum... I think that I will email him a questions about any provenance regarding the authenticity of the design... I will post his response... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-23-2004, 10:35 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	Yes John, Please do post his responce to this burning question. I am interested to hear it. La La La La La Te Da......Smiles! Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-25-2004, 09:24 PM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Email was sent on Friday the 23rd, no response as yet Jerry, but will post when he does. Hope you are having a great weekend! -John S __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-26-2004, 12:03 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,104 Times in 1,429 Posts	John, Thanks. I appreciate it. Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."