silenced lugers

[sverre]

where there any factory made silenced lugers? did anyone use silenced lugers?

[George Anderson]

I have the barrel and barrel extension from a 1920's artillery that was fitted with a silencer. I will send you photos if you wish.

[unspellable]

There was a sub-sonic 9 mm Parabellum load for use with a suppressor.

[sverre]

why dont you upload the pics in the membersgallery george

[John D.]

This was in my collection, and has since passed to another Luger Forum Member:

[John Sabato]

For those of you who are wondering what is so different about the photo of the Luger that John D. has posted above... you will see that at the muzzle there is a band around the barrel and a protrusion behind the front sight base. If I remember correctly, the protrusion is spring loaded, and if depressed, allows the entire front sight band to be unscrewed, revealing the threads where the "sound suppressor" would be attached. The term "silencer" is a piece of Hollywood fiction... as anyone who has ever stood next to a "suppressed" weapon will tell you... There is still plenty of sound... just a lot less than there would have been without the suppressor...

[sverre]

hehe yeah i know.. if you dont use a .22 or something like that.

thanks for the great pic john d.

are they very rare?

[Vlim]

Hi,

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[Henry Bucki]

I had a mp5sd that i traded for a mp40 that i gave my son.it sounded like a bb gun when fired

[sverre]

mp5`? you mean a h&k mp5`? did you trade a h&k mp5 for a mp40?

[Henry Bucki]

HELLO SVERRE
YES IT WAS A HK MP5SD.MY SON LOVES TO COLLECT WW2 GERMAN SO .IN 1986 I MADE A DEAL WITH MY WIFE ONE MORE MACHINE GUN ONE MORE CHILD, SO THE MP5 WAS REALLY HIS,

[sverre]

ok

[Sanya]

Hi,

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contained this pic:


Regards,

Sanya

[Ron Smith]

Geo, Was there a device to lock the toggle down on the suppressed Luger? We worked with SEAL teams in Vietnam. Sometimes they were equiped with Ruger standard autos fitted with suppressors. The one I got a close look at. Had a bolt lock,to prevent any sound coming from chamber blowback. And to prevent cycling clatter. Have also seen a suppressed 1911A1 with a similar device.

Ron

[Navy]

As a former Type 02 FFL holder and S.O.T. before the Klintinistas put me out of bidnez, I used to deal quite a bit with suppressed weapons. I still retain one, an old VN-era SOG contract piece. It is a Ruger 10/22 and the entire barrel is a suppressor of the old M.A.C. design. It's known in the family as the "Cat Whacker". Using Remington subsonic 22 Long Rifle ammo, the loudest thing you hear is the bolt cycle and the THUMP on impact. It has a Max Effective Range of something less than 50 yards, but within that range, it is silent and deadly. If you wear a glove on your non-shooting hand, you can stop the action from cycling...

One Thanksgiving, after all 10 of the guests had eaten, I, who was also the cook and clean-up staff, secretly took 4 wine bottles out and sat them on the back fence, which abuts a big grass berm. As all were watching the telley, I stood in the hall and fired 3 rounds of subsonic hollow point across the living room- a minimum of 10 feet lateral distance and about 8 feet diagonally away from the nearest guest- and out the (open) back deck door. There was the sound of three bottles shattering and someone said, "What the hell is that?"

They looked up, saw me and in bemused amazement, said, "How'd you do that?".

I pulled the trigger again and the fourth bottle shattered, with almost no report from the weapon.

They were, shall we say, amazed.

Fun in Title II land!

A *very* cool toy.

Tom A.

[ViggoG]

Tom and John,
Some 60 years ago, I too was very supprised when I had the opportunity to participate in the firing of a silenced Rifle firing 22 long rifle High Velocity (Supersonic velocity) cartridges and 22 shorts (Subsonic velocity).
Holding the rifle vertically and firing 22 long rifle High Velocity (Supersonic velocity) cartridges, was shocking, the only sound was the sharp snap of the firing pin.
It sounded exactly the same as dry firing, just a click. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
(We were so shocked that we pulled the bolt from the rifle and looked through the barrel to determine whether the projectile was not lodged in the barrel)
When fires horizontally there was the same silenced click of the firing pin followed by the echo of the projectile traveling supersonically and creating a shock wave cone that reverberated off of any object as it traveled away.
It appears that there is no sound within a cone of silence that travels forward away from the muzzle.
As one moves from behind the rifleman out to the side and forward the sound starts to appear at approximatly 45 degrees and increases until at 90 degrees the sound is no different than a rifle fired with no silencer.
The noise at the range was probably the Echo from the sound buffer that hangs just forward of the firing line.
Firing 22 shorts which traveled at subsonic velocity resulted in total silencing of the muzzle blast and there was no shock front developed by the projectile and the result was as silent as dry firing from any location.
I stood around a corner out of sight of the rifle but within 3 feet of the projectiles path and heard only a sound similar to that sound made by a fast thrown baseball passing close to the head.
Just a soft whoosh.
I'm still trying to settle my mind on the formation of the cone of silence where the rifleman and all behind him heard nothing and every one ahead of the muzzle could not tell that the rifle had a silencer. <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" />
ViggoG

[Daniel]

Tom, were the 10 people watching TV in the SAME living room that you shot through to take out the wine bottles �¿�¿

[Daniel]

Viggog, you shot a rifle up in the air �¿�¿

[Vlim]

Hi Guys,

Just for completeness sake:

Here are some examples of the pictured Maxim silencer. Since there was a good relationship between Maxim and DWM, it's not surprising to find them mounted on Parabellums.

The following images appeared in the 1912 edition of a German magazine 'Schuss und Waffe'. The article discusses the military possibilities of silencers on rifles. Conclusion was that it would take many, many years before silencers would find it's way into military service.

[ViggoG]

Daniel, <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />
Yes, We were on the edge of a very large swamp out of range of residentially inhabited areas and fired about 80 degrees upward and out over the swamp.
It Was No more dangerous than squirrel hunting.
ViggoG <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />