What have we got here??

usmc69 · 03-26-2011, 04:02 PM

A friend came up with two Lugars in a trade One from 1917 and one from 1939. Will post the 1917 pictures first.

usmc69 · 03-26-2011, 04:33 PM

usmc69 · 03-26-2011, 04:52 PM

Will have to start another post as there are to many pictures for one post.

FNorm · 03-26-2011, 05:21 PM

The magazine tube is all wrong. It should be nickel plated with a wood bottom. It looks like someone took the original mag bottom and put in a modern Mauser tube from the 1970s. See the extra hole in the tube? And that base has been 'played' with. Extra and/or over stampings.

FN

Vlim · 03-26-2011, 05:46 PM

Yup, the tube is definitely a 1970s Mauser tube.

usmc69 · 03-26-2011, 06:12 PM

O.K. we have decided the magazine has been putzed with, what about the rest of the pistol? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Norme · 03-26-2011, 06:30 PM

Hi AJ, The gun looks real nice except for that front grip strap, which I'm afraid is a real value killer. My guess is that someone tried to remove unit markings and went too far. Regards, Norm

usmc69 · 03-26-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

Hi AJ, The gun looks real nice except for that front grip strap, which I'm afraid is a real value killer. My guess is that someone tried to remove unit markings and went too far. Regards, Norm

Thanks Norm. I am guessing this is an all matching piece. But it is just a shooter.........What would the value be for it? $500-$1000?
AJ

ithacaartist · 03-26-2011, 11:06 PM

Ahem! I could repair/restore the grip strap, no problem. Seamless. How much would that increase the value?
(Never repaired a handgun before; what does the FFL stuff say? I'm a welder/fabricator.)

alanint · 03-27-2011, 06:47 AM

The grips do not look original. They show way less wear than the overall pistol. Are there any markings inside? If you remove them, follow the guidelines that are on the site to avoid chipping the wood near the safety.

usmc69 · 03-27-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

The grips do not look original. They show way less wear than the overall pistol. Are there any markings inside? If you remove them, follow the guidelines that are on the site to avoid chipping the wood near the safety.

The grip panel is already chipped. Both grip panels are marked with a 46 written in pencil. Writing is not fresh, could be the panels were accidentally swapped. Considering the S/N is 43.......

On this pistol http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=25871 the grip panels are stamped with a 70 on the inside of each.

DavidJayUden · 03-27-2011, 09:58 AM

As is with the repro. grips you are close to that $500 figure. Repair and reblue the gun and you are a bit over that figure, but whether it is far enough over to justify the addl. cost remains to be seen. Correctly restore the gun and you will throw more at it than you will get back.
Maybe have the hole filled and smoothed up and swab on some cold bluing and go for $650-$700 as a shooter.
Just for my info. what is the chamber date? And I'm assuming that it runs good, bore is OK, etc.
Hope this helps.
dju

usmc69 · 03-27-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

As is with the repro. grips you are close to that $500 figure. Repair and reblue the gun and you are a bit over that figure, but whether it is far enough over to justify the addl. cost remains to be seen. Correctly restore the gun and you will throw more at it than you will get back.
Maybe have the hole filled and smoothed up and swab on some cold bluing and go for $650-$700 as a shooter.
Just for my info. what is the chamber date? And I'm assuming that it runs good, bore is OK, etc.
Hope this helps.
dju

Thanks for the info. Chamber date is 1917.

DavidJayUden · 03-27-2011, 10:15 AM

OK, for you Imperial Lugers guys, were all the late war DWM.s all cut for the artillery rear sights?
I'm beginning to have concerns about that barrel and much of the fiinish, but in the end it makes no difference as it is a shooter.
But if it were mine I'd shoot the wheels off it...
dju

MFC · 03-27-2011, 03:16 PM

I beleive this Luger started life as a 1917 artillery, LP08. The original barrel would have the 'a' suffix. As far as I know, DWM only used receivers with the artillery notch on LP08's.

usmc69 · 03-27-2011, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFC

I beleive this Luger started life as a 1917 artillery, LP08. The original barrel would have the 'a' suffix. As far as I know, DWM only used receivers with the artillery notch on LP08's.

Please inform the uninformed. What is an artillery notch?

Norme · 03-27-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by usmc69

Please inform the uninformed. What is an artillery notch?

As you can see, the front of the receiver on artilleries had to be notched to provide clearance for the sight leaf. Regards, Norm

usmc69 · 03-27-2011, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

As you can see, the front of the receiver on artilleries had to be notched to provide clearance for the sight leaf. Regards, Norm

Would a new barrel have serialized to the pistol? The S/N is 43 and it is on all the major parts.

ViciousOutlaw · 03-27-2011, 07:43 PM

My understanding is that if the barrel was replaced by a German armorer they would have added the 43 SN to the new barrel. On my re-barrel there is also an s/42 marking under the barrel near the SN indicating it is in fact a re barrel.

usmc69 · 03-27-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ViciousOutlaw

My understanding is that if the barrel was replaced by a German armorer they would have added the 43 SN to the new barrel. On my re-barrel there is also an s/42 marking under the barrel near the SN indicating it is in fact a re barrel.

The only other mark besides the 43 is 8,83.

03-26-2011, 04:02 PM	#1
usmc69 User Join Date: May 2009 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What have we got here?? A friend came up with two Lugars in a trade One from 1917 and one from 1939. Will post the 1917 pictures first.

03-26-2011, 04:33 PM	#2
usmc69 User Join Date: May 2009 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	more 1917 Attached Thumbnails

03-26-2011, 04:52 PM	#3
usmc69 User Join Date: May 2009 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1939 Lugar Will have to start another post as there are to many pictures for one post.

03-27-2011, 03:16 PM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I beleive this Luger started life as a 1917 artillery, LP08. The original barrel would have the 'a' suffix. As far as I know, DWM only used receivers with the artillery notch on LP08's. __________________ Mike C.

03-26-2011, 05:21 PM	#4
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	The magazine tube is all wrong. It should be nickel plated with a wood bottom. It looks like someone took the original mag bottom and put in a modern Mauser tube from the 1970s. See the extra hole in the tube? And that base has been 'played' with. Extra and/or over stampings. FN

03-26-2011, 05:46 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,047 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,947 Times in 1,198 Posts	Yup, the tube is definitely a 1970s Mauser tube.

03-26-2011, 06:12 PM	#6
usmc69 User Join Date: May 2009 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 28 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	O.K. we have decided the magazine has been putzed with, what about the rest of the pistol? Any info will be greatly appreciated.

03-26-2011, 06:30 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,594 Times in 931 Posts	Hi AJ, The gun looks real nice except for that front grip strap, which I'm afraid is a real value killer. My guess is that someone tried to remove unit markings and went too far. Regards, Norm

03-26-2011, 11:06 PM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,290 Thanks: 7,055 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	Ahem! I could repair/restore the grip strap, no problem. Seamless. How much would that increase the value? (Never repaired a handgun before; what does the FFL stuff say? I'm a welder/fabricator.)

03-27-2011, 06:47 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The grips do not look original. They show way less wear than the overall pistol. Are there any markings inside? If you remove them, follow the guidelines that are on the site to avoid chipping the wood near the safety.

03-27-2011, 09:58 AM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	As is with the repro. grips you are close to that $500 figure. Repair and reblue the gun and you are a bit over that figure, but whether it is far enough over to justify the addl. cost remains to be seen. Correctly restore the gun and you will throw more at it than you will get back. Maybe have the hole filled and smoothed up and swab on some cold bluing and go for $650-$700 as a shooter. Just for my info. what is the chamber date? And I'm assuming that it runs good, bore is OK, etc. Hope this helps. dju

03-27-2011, 10:15 AM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	OK, for you Imperial Lugers guys, were all the late war DWM.s all cut for the artillery rear sights? I'm beginning to have concerns about that barrel and much of the fiinish, but in the end it makes no difference as it is a shooter. But if it were mine I'd shoot the wheels off it... dju

03-27-2011, 07:43 PM	#19
ViciousOutlaw User Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 14 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My understanding is that if the barrel was replaced by a German armorer they would have added the 43 SN to the new barrel. On my re-barrel there is also an s/42 marking under the barrel near the SN indicating it is in fact a re barrel.