Help with script suffix please

JohnF · 02-04-2003, 08:37 AM

This is a BYF 41 that I have. The serial number is #8247 but I can't work out the suffix. I still have trouble crossmatching them to the table. Can someone please tell me what it is? This pistol looks very nice but has been refinished in East Germany. Fortunately the original grips survived and weren't replaced with the VOPO models. Here are some photos:

Thor · 02-04-2003, 08:50 AM

Looks like a "q" to me! Suffix table

Ron Wood · 02-04-2003, 09:00 AM

It has two suffix - a "y" over a "q"! Never saw that before.

JohnF · 02-04-2003, 09:19 AM

The marking above is what I thought was an East German circle X mark. Here's a photo from a different angle that shows it better.

Ron Wood · 02-04-2003, 09:31 AM

That is a much better look and makes more sense! When I copied the first photo, lightened it a bit and did a little gamma correction, the mark sure looks like a dead ringer for a "y" (Suffix table 2, second "y" variation). The difference is so remarkable it almost looks like two different guns - which it isn't of course. So we are back to just a "q" suffix.

JohnF · 02-04-2003, 09:59 AM

Thanks Ron - I promise that it isn't two different guns - just one lousy cameraman.

Ron Wood · 02-04-2003, 10:16 AM

Actually, both photos are quite good. This has been a good exercise and a valuable lesson for those of us who try to evaluate guns based web pictures. What we are looking at isn't always what we think we see. If there is any question about a marking or feature, it may well be worth a look from another photo/angle before making a decision. Thank you for giving us a very graphic example of easy it is for your eyes to fool you.

Edward Tinker · 02-04-2003, 10:33 AM

I have trouble with several of the real suffixes, when you see it in pictures such as drawings and trying to figure it out, well, I just have trouble

takes practice I think?

Thor · 02-04-2003, 11:15 AM

That "X" looks a lot like this one from Les Center's (Dok) Vopo Luger.

Silvereagle29 · 02-05-2003, 07:42 PM

Hi
The suffix has to be a Q because there were no G's in the 41-byf production. Q's and G's are easy to confuse. No tail on the Q. 41-byf Lugers are found in the n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z, ns, a and b. I would think the mark above the Q might be a West German mark. Doubt Mauser had a hand in it.

JuergenG · 02-05-2003, 10:12 PM

It is a Q.
Later sister of my byf 41 which is 2884q.
Juergen

02-04-2003, 08:37 AM	#1
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Help with script suffix please This is a BYF 41 that I have. The serial number is #8247 but I can't work out the suffix. I still have trouble crossmatching them to the table. Can someone please tell me what it is? This pistol looks very nice but has been refinished in East Germany. Fortunately the original grips survived and weren't replaced with the VOPO models. Here are some photos:

02-04-2003, 08:50 AM	#2
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Looks like a "q" to me! Suffix table __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-04-2003, 09:00 AM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	It has two suffix - a "y" over a "q"! Never saw that before. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-04-2003, 09:31 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	That is a much better look and makes more sense! When I copied the first photo, lightened it a bit and did a little gamma correction, the mark sure looks like a dead ringer for a "y" (Suffix table 2, second "y" variation). The difference is so remarkable it almost looks like two different guns - which it isn't of course. So we are back to just a "q" suffix. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-04-2003, 10:16 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Actually, both photos are quite good. This has been a good exercise and a valuable lesson for those of us who try to evaluate guns based web pictures. What we are looking at isn't always what we think we see. If there is any question about a marking or feature, it may well be worth a look from another photo/angle before making a decision. Thank you for giving us a very graphic example of easy it is for your eyes to fool you. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-04-2003, 09:19 AM	#4
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The marking above is what I thought was an East German circle X mark. Here's a photo from a different angle that shows it better.

02-04-2003, 09:59 AM	#6
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Ron - I promise that it isn't two different guns - just one lousy cameraman.

02-04-2003, 10:33 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I have trouble with several of the real suffixes, when you see it in pictures such as drawings and trying to figure it out, well, I just have trouble takes practice I think? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-04-2003, 11:15 AM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	That "X" looks a lot like this one from Les Center's (Dok) Vopo Luger. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

02-05-2003, 07:42 PM	#10
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hi The suffix has to be a Q because there were no G's in the 41-byf production. Q's and G's are easy to confuse. No tail on the Q. 41-byf Lugers are found in the n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z, ns, a and b. I would think the mark above the Q might be a West German mark. Doubt Mauser had a hand in it.

02-05-2003, 10:12 PM	#11
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 154 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It is a Q. Later sister of my byf 41 which is 2884q. Juergen