"Carol Watson" Auction

ithacaartist · 01-03-2014, 01:45 PM

Here is their Proxibid link. Several dozen Lugers--Lots of Swiss and a little bit of everything else...

(edit) Oops! The link: https://cwocauctions.proxibid.com/as....asp?aid=74601

drbuster · 01-03-2014, 10:21 PM

Carol Watson used to be a major force with Greg Martin. She and her partner Curt Keller are running the Orange Coast Auctions now. They have a wealth of experiance and knowledge in the gun auction game and should do very well.

AUTOLUKE · 01-04-2014, 10:29 AM

Does anyone on the site plan to attend ?

Phil

sheepherder · 01-04-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AUTOLUKE

Does anyone on the site plan to attend ?

Phil

Hello and Welcome Phil!

Are you associated with the CW-OCA auctions??? Or maybe just nearby???

Hmmmmm...31 Lugers; one carbine; several Artilleries; one Navy...The way the description is worded, it is possible that the carbine is not original, though they don't come out and say 'repro'...The Navy is listed as 'restored'......

I have to say...the carbine looks rather...plain...

Barrel under handguard marked ''Pac-LC1''

Maestro · 01-04-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AUTOLUKE

Does anyone on the site plan to attend ?

Phil

Not with these fees

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Internet Premium: 17.5%
Sales Tax : 8% - Sales tax applied to invoice total, including Internet Premium.
Cash Payment Discount: 3%
California residents pay 8% sales tax

AUTOLUKE · 01-05-2014, 12:04 PM

Sheepherder

Not a member of any aucton house, but might be interested in a few of the Watson Lugers. Would only bid if a reliable member of this site was able to personally inspect the item.

Phil

drbuster · 01-05-2014, 12:46 PM

She is based in Anaheim, so one of our SoCal members may be interested.

sheepherder · 01-05-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AUTOLUKE

Not a member of any aucton house, but might be interested in a few of the Watson Lugers. Would only bid if a reliable member of this site was able to personally inspect the item.

Phil

Phil, I wish you were associated with an auction house, as I have many questions. I wish ANY auction house officer would come in and explain their house's policies.

Also, it would help if you indicated in your profile where you live. City, location in the state, country if you're overseas, etc. Nearby members who're interested could then get in touch with you. I'd be happy to go with you to the auction if you'd pay my plane fare, motel room, and rental car.

AUTOLUKE · 01-05-2014, 03:31 PM

I hail from Massachusetts, so that a trip to CA would be prohibitive. Also, as stated in other messages , any auction purchase could be loaded with other costs, not to mention mystery buyers . This is my reason for hoping to find a reputable member who would actually inspect the merchandise.

Geo99 · 01-07-2014, 10:45 PM

I bought from Carol Watson in 2013 and paid 12% fee.
Have they raised it?

mrerick · 01-08-2014, 12:25 PM

17.5% listed including 3% for credit cards plus other fees... Yes - it's quite expensive...

Arizona Slim · 01-08-2014, 06:54 PM

I spoke with a representative from Carol Watson's within the past year and she informed me, as many of you probably already know, that it is cheaper if you do not access her site and others using Proxibid as they add their fee. Just a thought.

Lon

alvin · 01-09-2014, 08:20 AM

They give 3% discount if paying cash. If go with them directly bypassing proxibid, that should save another 2.5%. So, 12%.

Original GMA was sold to HA, but former GMA people setup this CWOC. Not sure what HA actually bought then, they could not keep the people... probably just bought GMC's empty building?? Don't know the details, but it's easy to assume HA lost a lot of money in this acquisition. CWOC's description of items is usually not overstated, in former GMA's tradition. This is a great auction house.

Norme · 01-09-2014, 10:07 AM

"Original GMA was sold to HA, but former GMA people setup this CWOC. Not sure what HA actually bought then, they could not keep the people... probably just bought GMC's empty building?? Don't know the details, but it's easy to assume HA lost a lot of money in this acquisition. CWOC's description of items is usually not overstated, in former GMA's tradition. This is a great auction house."

This is not quite true, Heritage did not lose all the Greg Martin staff. Clifford Chapell, formerly of GMA, runs the firearm division at Heritage. His expertise is at least as great as the folks who left, greater, if Watson's description of the "1914 Navy" in their current auction is any guide.
It's true that Heritage Auctions fees are the highest in the business, but they are by far my favorite auction house. The only real bargains I've ever bought at auction have been from them, and they send me their magnificent catalogs free.
Regards, Norm

Ben M. · 01-13-2014, 07:31 PM

here is that m1914 discription:

Scarce Model 1914 Navy Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol, #5823b, 9mm, 6'' barrel, blue finish, straw small parts, checkered walnut grips, tin-plated wood based magazine, with concentric circles cut to each side of base. Unmarked chamber, DWM marked toggle link, two-position rear sight, crown-''M'' naval proofmarks, as well as Imperial Navy proofmarks, safety marked ''Gesichert'', extractor marked ''Geladen''. Seldom seen with only 8500 produced. Condition is excellent as professionally restored, and retaining approx. 95% blue with thinning to the highpoints of sideplate and at muzzle. Grips show minor flattening and some oil staining near front strap area. Action remains crisp, bore is excellent. Est.: $3,000-$5,000. (C&R)

alvin · 01-26-2014, 11:14 AM

This book:

https://cwocauctions.proxibid.com/as...le-Pistol-Book

I saw a collector listing a copy on EBAY a few months ago, only sold $170. Not much demand at that time. But this copy sold $600 before BP yesterday!!

Obviously, it's not a good idea to sell collector books on ebay. Or, it's not a good idea to buy collector books in conventional auction.

General feeling about this session -- market is recovering. Many people joined the session.

regul · 01-26-2014, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

This book:

https://cwocauctions.proxibid.com/as...le-Pistol-Book

I saw a collector listing a copy on EBAY a few months ago, only sold $170. Not much demand at that time. But this copy sold $600 before BP yesterday!!

Obviously, it's not a good idea to sell collector books on ebay. Or, it's not a good idea to buy collector books in conventional auction.

General feeling about this session -- market is recovering. Many people joined the session.

Alvin
Amazon has book #76 for $995.00.
Thanks
Ed

01-03-2014, 01:45 PM	#1
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,342 Thanks: 7,264 Thanked 2,569 Times in 1,363 Posts	"Carol Watson" Auction Here is their Proxibid link. Several dozen Lugers--Lots of Swiss and a little bit of everything else... (edit) Oops! The link: https://cwocauctions.proxibid.com/as....asp?aid=74601 __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-07-2014, 10:45 PM	#10
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	I bought from Carol Watson in 2013 and paid 12% fee. Have they raised it? __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

01-08-2014, 12:25 PM	#11
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	17.5% listed including 3% for credit cards plus other fees... Yes - it's quite expensive... __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-03-2014, 10:21 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Carol Watson used to be a major force with Greg Martin. She and her partner Curt Keller are running the Orange Coast Auctions now. They have a wealth of experiance and knowledge in the gun auction game and should do very well.

01-04-2014, 10:29 AM	#3
AUTOLUKE User Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does anyone on the site plan to attend ? Phil

01-05-2014, 12:04 PM	#6
AUTOLUKE User Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sheepherder Not a member of any aucton house, but might be interested in a few of the Watson Lugers. Would only bid if a reliable member of this site was able to personally inspect the item. Phil

01-05-2014, 12:46 PM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	She is based in Anaheim, so one of our SoCal members may be interested.

01-05-2014, 03:31 PM	#9
AUTOLUKE User Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I hail from Massachusetts, so that a trip to CA would be prohibitive. Also, as stated in other messages , any auction purchase could be loaded with other costs, not to mention mystery buyers . This is my reason for hoping to find a reputable member who would actually inspect the merchandise.

01-08-2014, 06:54 PM	#12
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	I spoke with a representative from Carol Watson's within the past year and she informed me, as many of you probably already know, that it is cheaper if you do not access her site and others using Proxibid as they add their fee. Just a thought. Lon

01-09-2014, 08:20 AM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	They give 3% discount if paying cash. If go with them directly bypassing proxibid, that should save another 2.5%. So, 12%. Original GMA was sold to HA, but former GMA people setup this CWOC. Not sure what HA actually bought then, they could not keep the people... probably just bought GMC's empty building?? Don't know the details, but it's easy to assume HA lost a lot of money in this acquisition. CWOC's description of items is usually not overstated, in former GMA's tradition. This is a great auction house.

01-09-2014, 10:07 AM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	"Original GMA was sold to HA, but former GMA people setup this CWOC. Not sure what HA actually bought then, they could not keep the people... probably just bought GMC's empty building?? Don't know the details, but it's easy to assume HA lost a lot of money in this acquisition. CWOC's description of items is usually not overstated, in former GMA's tradition. This is a great auction house." This is not quite true, Heritage did not lose all the Greg Martin staff. Clifford Chapell, formerly of GMA, runs the firearm division at Heritage. His expertise is at least as great as the folks who left, greater, if Watson's description of the "1914 Navy" in their current auction is any guide. It's true that Heritage Auctions fees are the highest in the business, but they are by far my favorite auction house. The only real bargains I've ever bought at auction have been from them, and they send me their magnificent catalogs free. Regards, Norm

01-13-2014, 07:31 PM	#15
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	here is that m1914 discription: Scarce Model 1914 Navy Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol, #5823b, 9mm, 6'' barrel, blue finish, straw small parts, checkered walnut grips, tin-plated wood based magazine, with concentric circles cut to each side of base. Unmarked chamber, DWM marked toggle link, two-position rear sight, crown-''M'' naval proofmarks, as well as Imperial Navy proofmarks, safety marked ''Gesichert'', extractor marked ''Geladen''. Seldom seen with only 8500 produced. Condition is excellent as professionally restored, and retaining approx. 95% blue with thinning to the highpoints of sideplate and at muzzle. Grips show minor flattening and some oil staining near front strap area. Action remains crisp, bore is excellent. Est.: $3,000-$5,000. (C&R)

01-26-2014, 11:14 AM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This book: https://cwocauctions.proxibid.com/as...le-Pistol-Book I saw a collector listing a copy on EBAY a few months ago, only sold $170. Not much demand at that time. But this copy sold $600 before BP yesterday!! Obviously, it's not a good idea to sell collector books on ebay. Or, it's not a good idea to buy collector books in conventional auction. General feeling about this session -- market is recovering. Many people joined the session.