Info Please

bobkap · 04-22-2010, 08:56 AM

I recently inherited from a deceased family member(ex. WW2 MP & retired Chief of Police) a Luger among 9 other handguns. Markings:
DWM on toggle top, 1911 on barrel next to toggle, 5686 on frame under barrel, 3 symbol impressions on r/s(L-to-R) "E"? w/ crown on top. Letter? w/crown on top. Eagle? w/ crown on top, legs and wings vertical, wings not angled but straight up. Toggle does not lock open. "86" stamped on a few other places. Lanyard anchor on rear of frame just above the grip. L/S side of barrel has minor pitting near muzzle. Grips are checkered wood. Magazine grip appears to be black wood with some numbers. Finish is good except as noted on barrel.
Questions:
1. Ring any bells?
2. Guess on value?(not be sold but rather passed on to my son)
Thanks in advanced for any help.
bobkap

Mauser720 · 04-22-2010, 10:30 AM

bobkap -

Photographs will be necessary in order to give you more accurate responses to your questions.

However, you have a 1911 DWM luger. The eagle with the upspread winds and the crown is the Army Test Proof. At that time they were being made without the hold open, so that is correct. It should not have the stock lug either. Report serial range in Jan Still's "Imperial Lugers and Their Accessories" book (the Red Book) says the serial range is 1524c to 4825e, so you must have one that was made later.

Sounds like a nice one. Can you post some pictures?

Edward Tinker · 04-22-2010, 10:48 AM

What is the suffix (letter) under the front serial number on the frame?

Although new information is out (Central Powers by Jan Still), your serial range is likely to be in the ones stated above by Ron.

Welcome to the forum!

What are the other 8 guns you inherited (which is sad when a friend or family passes away).

Ed

congaman · 04-22-2010, 12:52 PM

Bobkap.....I too am sorry for your loss. I am relatively new to this forum but I can say that if you ever need advice or need info on values that these forum members are the way to go. The knowledge that they have blows me away. They not only know their stuff but they shoot straight. Scott

bobkap · 04-22-2010, 01:01 PM

Ron & Ed, tks for the reply. I'll do pics when I figure out how. Others: Colt M1911 w/holster-beautiful, "U.S. Army" mfg. date 1913. Fabrique Nationale D' Armes Guerre, Herstal Belgique, looks like M1911. F.L. Selbstlader D.R.G.M. auto w/ holster & mag. Hi-Standard Model "B" auto "U.S.Army", .22 LR-beautiful!. Beretta auto w/ holster & extra mag. A few Police S&W's .38 spcl- very nice. A couple other revolvers and 1 Deringer.
Thanks again to both for your help.
bobkap

04-22-2010, 08:56 AM	#1
bobkap New User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Info Please I recently inherited from a deceased family member(ex. WW2 MP & retired Chief of Police) a Luger among 9 other handguns. Markings: DWM on toggle top, 1911 on barrel next to toggle, 5686 on frame under barrel, 3 symbol impressions on r/s(L-to-R) "E"? w/ crown on top. Letter? w/crown on top. Eagle? w/ crown on top, legs and wings vertical, wings not angled but straight up. Toggle does not lock open. "86" stamped on a few other places. Lanyard anchor on rear of frame just above the grip. L/S side of barrel has minor pitting near muzzle. Grips are checkered wood. Magazine grip appears to be black wood with some numbers. Finish is good except as noted on barrel. Questions: 1. Ring any bells? 2. Guess on value?(not be sold but rather passed on to my son) Thanks in advanced for any help. bobkap

04-22-2010, 10:30 AM	#2
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	bobkap - Photographs will be necessary in order to give you more accurate responses to your questions. However, you have a 1911 DWM luger. The eagle with the upspread winds and the crown is the Army Test Proof. At that time they were being made without the hold open, so that is correct. It should not have the stock lug either. Report serial range in Jan Still's "Imperial Lugers and Their Accessories" book (the Red Book) says the serial range is 1524c to 4825e, so you must have one that was made later. Sounds like a nice one. Can you post some pictures? __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

04-22-2010, 10:48 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	What is the suffix (letter) under the front serial number on the frame? Although new information is out (Central Powers by Jan Still), your serial range is likely to be in the ones stated above by Ron. Welcome to the forum! What are the other 8 guns you inherited (which is sad when a friend or family passes away). Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-22-2010, 12:52 PM	#4
congaman User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 23 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Bobkap.....I too am sorry for your loss. I am relatively new to this forum but I can say that if you ever need advice or need info on values that these forum members are the way to go. The knowledge that they have blows me away. They not only know their stuff but they shoot straight. Scott

04-22-2010, 01:01 PM	#5
bobkap New User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron & Ed, tks for the reply. I'll do pics when I figure out how. Others: Colt M1911 w/holster-beautiful, "U.S. Army" mfg. date 1913. Fabrique Nationale D' Armes Guerre, Herstal Belgique, looks like M1911. F.L. Selbstlader D.R.G.M. auto w/ holster & mag. Hi-Standard Model "B" auto "U.S.Army", .22 LR-beautiful!. Beretta auto w/ holster & extra mag. A few Police S&W's .38 spcl- very nice. A couple other revolvers and 1 Deringer. Thanks again to both for your help. bobkap