restrawing and value?

Munsterman · 02-15-2005, 02:36 PM

Hello, I have a 1914/1920 Erfurt double date/Weimar Police School/ Eastern Front caputre Luger, like most of the lugers captured by the Russkys they were "re-blued" and plastic grips were installed...i am wondering if it would increase the value to put some original wood grips on it and possibly have it restrawed...just an idea... ALSO, i have a 1916 mfg. Steyr Hahn in 9mm luger in excellent condition...do any of you guys have an idea on what that would be worth? (thinking about selling it for another luger) Thanks in advance!!!! Adam

also the holster that came with the Luger is marked "Otto Kobers@#$(stiches cover last letters)LANDSBERG aW. 194(1?) I was told that the holster is worth a couple bucks, any idea of its value?

Edward Tinker · 02-15-2005, 03:06 PM

On the pistol, it would not bring its value up much at all.

The holster, anywhere from $50 - $200, all depending on condition, color of holster, and condition of holster.

Don M · 02-15-2005, 03:58 PM

Adam,

I can't answer your questions but am very interested in learning more about your 1914/1920 Erfurt. I'm developing a database on Weimar police unit marks and police school marks are fairly hard to find. Would you post or email me a description (or photos) of this gun including the exact police school mark including all periods, any other unit marks, including any that have been crossed out, the serial number, the existence/evidence of a sear or mag safety and any other unique features? I will appreciate it very much.

Navy · 02-15-2005, 04:55 PM

Actually, restrawing would probably lower the value slightly.

Tom A

Doug G. · 02-15-2005, 07:13 PM

Tom, I disagree on the lowering of value. Remember we are talking about a Russian dip gun, not a bring back. Aesthetically it would look better, but it is what it is a Russian import marked gun. I doubt that these guns will ever command more than shooter price. Unless it is a rare model and then it would be properly restored.

Karl · 02-15-2005, 09:02 PM

Munsterman,

The value of your Steyr Hahn depends on several factors but generally speaking the range would be about $300. - $700., more if it is exceptional. You stated that it is 9mm Luger: was it rebarreled to 9mm Luger and so marked or did you really mean 9mm Steyr? (not the same cartridge). You can find out more about this gun on Jan Still's Luger website (on the links section of this website). I am a potential buyer if you decide to sell it. This site and Jan's site would be good places to post the sale. As for the strawing question, in my opinion you have a shooter and it doesn't matter one way or the other. KFS

pipeman45 · 02-15-2005, 09:15 PM

I think that the re straw wouldn't hurt the resale price and may increase it slightly. If you are thinking about doing it for resale,I wouldn't. If you are thinking about it because you want to make your gun look better, Go for it,after all it is your gun.

Ron Smith · 02-15-2005, 10:46 PM

I know one very advanced collector who's opinion is that, the Russian guns will come into their own as a class of collectable Lugers before long.

Yours is in pretty nice condition. I'm with pipeman. If you bought it as a low end collectable? Leave it as is. If you want a dressy shooter, then go ahead.

Ron

Munsterman · 02-16-2005, 07:59 PM

Yes, I will post pics of the Police markings and the safety, I think i will just save the money and leave it as is, because if i do restraw it everybody will know that it isnt original strawing(the russian cap marks=dipped) As for the Steyr Hahn it is in very nice condition with only minor wear on the blueing on the bottom on mag and on moving parts, it is marked "08" on the left side along with a eagle, and on the right side there is Austro-Hungarian proofs, Bohemian lion crest and Nazi eagle w/ swastika....Thanks for the info!

02-15-2005, 02:36 PM	#1
Munsterman User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Watonwan County, Minnesota Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	restrawing and value? Hello, I have a 1914/1920 Erfurt double date/Weimar Police School/ Eastern Front caputre Luger, like most of the lugers captured by the Russkys they were "re-blued" and plastic grips were installed...i am wondering if it would increase the value to put some original wood grips on it and possibly have it restrawed...just an idea... ALSO, i have a 1916 mfg. Steyr Hahn in 9mm luger in excellent condition...do any of you guys have an idea on what that would be worth? (thinking about selling it for another luger) Thanks in advance!!!! Adam also the holster that came with the Luger is marked "Otto Kobers@#$(stiches cover last letters)LANDSBERG aW. 194(1?) I was told that the holster is worth a couple bucks, any idea of its value?

02-15-2005, 03:06 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	On the pistol, it would not bring its value up much at all. The holster, anywhere from $50 - $200, all depending on condition, color of holster, and condition of holster. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-15-2005, 03:58 PM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Adam, I can't answer your questions but am very interested in learning more about your 1914/1920 Erfurt. I'm developing a database on Weimar police unit marks and police school marks are fairly hard to find. Would you post or email me a description (or photos) of this gun including the exact police school mark including all periods, any other unit marks, including any that have been crossed out, the serial number, the existence/evidence of a sear or mag safety and any other unique features? I will appreciate it very much. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-15-2005, 09:15 PM	#7
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I think that the re straw wouldn't hurt the resale price and may increase it slightly. If you are thinking about doing it for resale,I wouldn't. If you are thinking about it because you want to make your gun look better, Go for it,after all it is your gun. __________________ Dave

02-15-2005, 10:46 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I know one very advanced collector who's opinion is that, the Russian guns will come into their own as a class of collectable Lugers before long. Yours is in pretty nice condition. I'm with pipeman. If you bought it as a low end collectable? Leave it as is. If you want a dressy shooter, then go ahead. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-15-2005, 04:55 PM	#4
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Actually, restrawing would probably lower the value slightly. Tom A

02-15-2005, 07:13 PM	#5
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Tom, I disagree on the lowering of value. Remember we are talking about a Russian dip gun, not a bring back. Aesthetically it would look better, but it is what it is a Russian import marked gun. I doubt that these guns will ever command more than shooter price. Unless it is a rare model and then it would be properly restored.

02-15-2005, 09:02 PM	#6
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 515 Thanks: 0 Thanked 252 Times in 112 Posts	Munsterman, The value of your Steyr Hahn depends on several factors but generally speaking the range would be about $300. - $700., more if it is exceptional. You stated that it is 9mm Luger: was it rebarreled to 9mm Luger and so marked or did you really mean 9mm Steyr? (not the same cartridge). You can find out more about this gun on Jan Still's Luger website (on the links section of this website). I am a potential buyer if you decide to sell it. This site and Jan's site would be good places to post the sale. As for the strawing question, in my opinion you have a shooter and it doesn't matter one way or the other. KFS

02-16-2005, 07:59 PM	#9
Munsterman User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Watonwan County, Minnesota Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, I will post pics of the Police markings and the safety, I think i will just save the money and leave it as is, because if i do restraw it everybody will know that it isnt original strawing(the russian cap marks=dipped) As for the Steyr Hahn it is in very nice condition with only minor wear on the blueing on the bottom on mag and on moving parts, it is marked "08" on the left side along with a eagle, and on the right side there is Austro-Hungarian proofs, Bohemian lion crest and Nazi eagle w/ swastika....Thanks for the info!