picked up my first luger today, got some queastions

niklas · 02-07-2003, 11:56 AM

hello
Its my first time writing on this forum i became a member two weeks ago and if dont do things the right way just let me know and if you think idont spell corectly i just say iam 50% dyslectic and 100% Swedish so I try my best in english.
bougt my first parabellum today, and got some questions, its a DWM 1918 9mm, it looks okay 90-95 % blueing all numbers matching 7089 except handles and magazin, tested it last week and it shoots pretty good.
questions:
1 On the right side of the pistol just before the barell there are three inspectorstamps ,a crown whit a gotik caracter two are S and one is a I why?
2 the end plug on the magazin is walnut whit the marking 6411 some body whos got 7089 and want to change?
3 should the plug be walnut and not aluminium
4 is there some manual on line for the pistol so I can figure out how it works?
thank you for a god forum Il probably going ask a lot of things here because im the type of person who has one 100 of questions about everything
/Niklas

Ron Wood · 02-07-2003, 02:36 PM

Niklas,

Welcome to the forum! You gentlemen from Europe constantly amaze me how well you can communicate in English. You do not have to apologize for your comments, they are quite understandable.

The inspector stamps (proof marks) are correct for your Luger. If you go to the Technical Information section of this forum, you will see a topic called "Markings". Within this topic, click on the title "Proof 2" and you will see that the markings on your Luger are typical for DWM Lugers from 1914-1918.

The walnut base of your magazine is absolutely the correct type for your Luger.

In the Technical section there is also a topic on parts and disassembly that may answer your questions on how it works.

Hope this helps and thank you for joining us.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 02-07-2003, 03:41 PM

Welcome Niklas, glad you joined us!

Ask away, if we get tired of answering, then we must be dead or asleep!

niklas · 02-10-2003, 04:41 AM

thank you Ron and Edward for your answers.

now ive got another question:

is there a list somwhere whit all the names of parts in the pistol?

/niklas

Edward Tinker · 02-10-2003, 07:41 AM

Yes, explore this site, there is a wealth of information on your left (provided you used www.lugerforum.com ), and we have a complete breakdown of the pistol here:

http://www.lugerforum.com/lugerparts.html

niklas · 02-14-2003, 01:14 AM

thank you Edward

that was exactly what I needed.

I was out yesterday and shot whit the parabellum and it shots very good all five bullets in 60mm on a shooying distans of 25 meters. thats briliant for a pistol thats 85 years old.

Im going to use it for competition shooting and have to do some adjustments, the trigger pull is to heavy (4 kilos) i have to get down on 1,5 for good performance.
The original sight is not working well so Im thinking of puting on a Bo-mar sight, but its quite expensive (2 times the sum i payed for the gun) but on the other hand after i done that iI have an exelent shooter.

Im planing to get HÃ?Â¥kan Spur to fix the pistol. is there someone on the forum who uses the gun for taget shooting and have some tips?

niklas · 02-14-2003, 01:55 AM

hello again

I took out my parabellum just enjoing looking at i for a while i realy like this piece. I noticed a stamp under the barell 8.89 is that mm caliber markings?

Niklas

Frank · 02-14-2003, 04:19 AM

Hi Niklas, congratulations on your new Luger. The numbers on the barrel indicate the bore dimension in millimeters. That is the dimension across the lands, 8.89 millimeters in your case.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Pete Ebbink · 02-14-2003, 07:16 AM

Hello Frank,

The 8.89 stamping seems a a bit high (or large in this case).

Did DWM and Mauser have an absolute minimum and maximum tolerance for this lands & groves measurement; beyond which the barrel was rejected ?

Thanks for your help...

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 02-14-2003, 07:53 AM

Don't have any references with me for the manufacturing tolerances for Luger barrels, but here is a conversion chart to determine the "Land" diameter of your Luger barrels based on the original stamping...

I am not sure what the manufacturing tolerance is on the barrel groove diameter... Anybody have a reference for that?

Frank · 02-14-2003, 09:12 AM

Pete, you bring up a good point. I haven't looked at my Lugers, but 8.82 or there abouts is what I remember. The 8.89 seems a bit high. Costanzo's Book (World of Lugers) shows 8.81 to 8.85 as the spread.

Good eye Pete!!

niklas · 02-14-2003, 09:16 AM

I am back again

checked number again after Pete Ebbinks replay (got a bit nervous there) the stamp is 8,83 but its quite hard to see. but now iam happy again 8,83 sounds better.
going to uppload some pictures later today so you can see my new toy

/Niklas

Dwight Gruber · 02-14-2003, 02:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by niklas:
Im planing to get HÃ?Â¥kan Spur to fix the pistol. is there someone on the forum who uses the gun for taget shooting and have some tips?<hr /></blockquote>Niklas, I think that HÃ?Â¥kan is the man to answer all of your questions along those lines. Quite a few people here shoot their Lugers, but he is the only one who has 'fessed up to doing it on a serious, competition level.

We will definitely all be interested in hearing about your experiences.

And five in 60mm at 25 meters is pretty good shooting, pardner!

--Dwight

niklas · 02-16-2003, 03:29 AM

hello

here is some pictures of my Parabellum.

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger22.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger32.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger12.jpg
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger42.jpg

Ill hope this is working,even thou the pictures isnt very good.

drbuster · 02-16-2003, 06:08 AM

I've been following this series of postings and would like to answer Niklas (I guess I get up earlier than you other guys!). GREAT parabellum pictures Niklas! My first luger was no where as nice as yours, and didn't shoot as well either. That clip is a desirable Navy clip. You should be very happy with this gun.I will look for clip number 6411 to trade. Does it have a small letter also? Hope to read more of your postings.

niklas · 02-16-2003, 07:38 AM

Herbert,the clip has an ( M- )stamped before the numbers the M is turned 90 degrees clockwise.

How much can my parabellum be worth? and the navy clip?
I know I made a bargain payed only 150$ for it.
but know you people on the forum got mee thinking maybe i should get another one to customize because this one Ive got i belive is a buty, but here in Sweden its very hard to get a licens for a second gun in the same caliber, we have very tuff rules for handguns, but i shall se wath i can do
Does somebody know something about Krieghoff 1938,
could it be a good pistol for customizing?

niklas · 02-16-2003, 07:44 AM

Dwight, I didnt shoot that serie free hand standing I did it sitting whit the support off my bag, im not that good shooter whit that caliber.

drbuster · 02-16-2003, 11:44 AM

Niklas, the "M" on the clip stands for "Marinen", meaning Navy. The clip alone in the USA would sell for $120-150, or more. You got a great deal for your parabellum. Krieghoffs are very dear as there were fewer made. Seldom are Krieghoffs used for shooting.

02-07-2003, 11:56 AM	#1
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	picked up my first luger today, got some queastions hello Its my first time writing on this forum i became a member two weeks ago and if dont do things the right way just let me know and if you think idont spell corectly i just say iam 50% dyslectic and 100% Swedish so I try my best in english. bougt my first parabellum today, and got some questions, its a DWM 1918 9mm, it looks okay 90-95 % blueing all numbers matching 7089 except handles and magazin, tested it last week and it shoots pretty good. questions: 1 On the right side of the pistol just before the barell there are three inspectorstamps ,a crown whit a gotik caracter two are S and one is a I why? 2 the end plug on the magazin is walnut whit the marking 6411 some body whos got 7089 and want to change? 3 should the plug be walnut and not aluminium 4 is there some manual on line for the pistol so I can figure out how it works? thank you for a god forum Il probably going ask a lot of things here because im the type of person who has one 100 of questions about everything /Niklas

02-07-2003, 02:36 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Niklas, Welcome to the forum! You gentlemen from Europe constantly amaze me how well you can communicate in English. You do not have to apologize for your comments, they are quite understandable. The inspector stamps (proof marks) are correct for your Luger. If you go to the Technical Information section of this forum, you will see a topic called "Markings". Within this topic, click on the title "Proof 2" and you will see that the markings on your Luger are typical for DWM Lugers from 1914-1918. The walnut base of your magazine is absolutely the correct type for your Luger. In the Technical section there is also a topic on parts and disassembly that may answer your questions on how it works. Hope this helps and thank you for joining us. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-07-2003, 03:41 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Welcome Niklas, glad you joined us! Ask away, if we get tired of answering, then we must be dead or asleep! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-10-2003, 07:41 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Yes, explore this site, there is a wealth of information on your left (provided you used www.lugerforum.com ), and we have a complete breakdown of the pistol here: http://www.lugerforum.com/lugerparts.html __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-14-2003, 07:53 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Don't have any references with me for the manufacturing tolerances for Luger barrels, but here is a conversion chart to determine the "Land" diameter of your Luger barrels based on the original stamping... I am not sure what the manufacturing tolerance is on the barrel groove diameter... Anybody have a reference for that? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-10-2003, 04:41 AM	#4
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you Ron and Edward for your answers. now ive got another question: is there a list somwhere whit all the names of parts in the pistol? /niklas

02-14-2003, 01:14 AM	#6
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you Edward that was exactly what I needed. I was out yesterday and shot whit the parabellum and it shots very good all five bullets in 60mm on a shooying distans of 25 meters. thats briliant for a pistol thats 85 years old. Im going to use it for competition shooting and have to do some adjustments, the trigger pull is to heavy (4 kilos) i have to get down on 1,5 for good performance. The original sight is not working well so Im thinking of puting on a Bo-mar sight, but its quite expensive (2 times the sum i payed for the gun) but on the other hand after i done that iI have an exelent shooter. Im planing to get HÃ?Â¥kan Spur to fix the pistol. is there someone on the forum who uses the gun for taget shooting and have some tips?

02-14-2003, 01:55 AM	#7
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello again I took out my parabellum just enjoing looking at i for a while i realy like this piece. I noticed a stamp under the barell 8.89 is that mm caliber markings? Niklas

02-14-2003, 04:19 AM	#8
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Niklas, congratulations on your new Luger. The numbers on the barrel indicate the bore dimension in millimeters. That is the dimension across the lands, 8.89 millimeters in your case. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

02-14-2003, 07:16 AM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Frank, The 8.89 stamping seems a a bit high (or large in this case). Did DWM and Mauser have an absolute minimum and maximum tolerance for this lands & groves measurement; beyond which the barrel was rejected ? Thanks for your help... Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

02-14-2003, 09:12 AM	#11
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Pete, you bring up a good point. I haven't looked at my Lugers, but 8.82 or there abouts is what I remember. The 8.89 seems a bit high. Costanzo's Book (World of Lugers) shows 8.81 to 8.85 as the spread. Good eye Pete!!

02-14-2003, 09:16 AM	#12
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am back again checked number again after Pete Ebbinks replay (got a bit nervous there) the stamp is 8,83 but its quite hard to see. but now iam happy again 8,83 sounds better. going to uppload some pictures later today so you can see my new toy /Niklas

02-14-2003, 02:02 PM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by niklas: <strong>Im planing to get HÃ?Â¥kan Spur to fix the pistol. is there someone on the forum who uses the gun for taget shooting and have some tips?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Niklas, I think that HÃ?Â¥kan is the man to answer all of your questions along those lines. Quite a few people here shoot their Lugers, but he is the only one who has 'fessed up to doing it on a serious, competition level. We will definitely all be interested in hearing about your experiences. And five in 60mm at 25 meters is pretty good shooting, pardner! --Dwight

02-16-2003, 03:29 AM	#14
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello here is some pictures of my Parabellum. http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger22.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger32.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger12.jpg http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/luger42.jpg Ill hope this is working,even thou the pictures isnt very good.

02-16-2003, 06:08 AM	#15
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I've been following this series of postings and would like to answer Niklas (I guess I get up earlier than you other guys!). GREAT parabellum pictures Niklas! My first luger was no where as nice as yours, and didn't shoot as well either. That clip is a desirable Navy clip. You should be very happy with this gun.I will look for clip number 6411 to trade. Does it have a small letter also? Hope to read more of your postings.

02-16-2003, 07:38 AM	#16
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Herbert,the clip has an ( M- )stamped before the numbers the M is turned 90 degrees clockwise. How much can my parabellum be worth? and the navy clip? I know I made a bargain payed only 150$ for it. but know you people on the forum got mee thinking maybe i should get another one to customize because this one Ive got i belive is a buty, but here in Sweden its very hard to get a licens for a second gun in the same caliber, we have very tuff rules for handguns, but i shall se wath i can do Does somebody know something about Krieghoff 1938, could it be a good pistol for customizing?

02-16-2003, 07:44 AM	#17
niklas User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, I didnt shoot that serie free hand standing I did it sitting whit the support off my bag, im not that good shooter whit that caliber.

02-16-2003, 11:44 AM	#18
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Niklas, the "M" on the clip stands for "Marinen", meaning Navy. The clip alone in the USA would sell for $120-150, or more. You got a great deal for your parabellum. Krieghoffs are very dear as there were fewer made. Seldom are Krieghoffs used for shooting.