old Luger no date need help

gatewayad · 07-18-2012, 12:28 PM

Hi could someone please help me figure out what i got
it has just the DWM marking on the top, no date or any other markings
bottom side of barrel is a small crown with an N under it below that is the serial number 6101 and below that look like a script lower case L
all metal parts are numbered 01 except the wood grips and magazine (no numbers on these)
on left side of barrel above the takedown is another crown and N
right side of barrel has no markings at all
the crown N is also in a couple other spots

NOW the really strange thing on left side German writing for safety GESICHERT standard but on the other side very small towards top is GERMANY (in english)
minor bluing issues but inside looks really clean no rust.

I would like to know if anyone of you experts know what i have

I would be very curious to know appx age history and value, please let me know if you need any more info
thanks in advance
Joe

gatewayad · 07-18-2012, 12:31 PM

why did it not take the pics was it because of first post
here are a few links
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597903512/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597841720/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597852424/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597855636/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597836860/

Terry Tiell · 07-18-2012, 12:35 PM

Good looking gun.

Edward Tinker · 07-18-2012, 01:06 PM

It is a commercial luger, made in the 1920's or so, can't see the serial number or suffix

likely in 7.65mm and not 9mm luger (see if a pencil fits down the tube, if yes, then 9mm)

value would be around $800-$1100 - commercials, even in very nice shape don't sell for as much

Ed

Don M · 07-18-2012, 01:10 PM

Looks like a .30 cal "Alphabet Commercial" manufactured by DWM in 1923 for export sale.

gatewayad · 07-18-2012, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

It is a commercial luger, made in the 1920's or so, can't see the serial number or suffix

likely in 7.65mm and not 9mm luger (see if a pencil fits down the tube, if yes, then 9mm)

value would be around $800-$1100 - commercials, even in very nice shape don't sell for as much

Ed

Serial number 6101 and no a pencil will not fit down the barrel

gatewayad · 07-18-2012, 02:15 PM

thanks for your help guys, so i guess nothing special

milburn · 07-18-2012, 04:07 PM

Thank you for sharing your good fortune. Hang onto it, as you don't find them that nice very often. Best regards, BW.

gatewayad · 07-18-2012, 06:00 PM

Any guess on a sell value

wlyon · 07-18-2012, 06:27 PM

The price Ed gave you of $800-1100 is about right for around here. Commercials in 30 cal. are slow sellers at least here. Nice looking luger anyway!!. Bill

gatewayad · 07-18-2012, 07:34 PM

Thanks Bill (and Ed) I assumed that was retail. So that's nice to hear did not realize it was worth that much. By the way clean and shiny inside no rust at all
Thanks again
Joe

whcoyote · 07-20-2012, 10:30 PM

Very nice clean piece. It's worth keeping - at least until you decide which direction your collecting will take. Then you might trade it for something that fits your interests.

07-18-2012, 12:28 PM	#1
gatewayad User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	old Luger no date need help Hi could someone please help me figure out what i got it has just the DWM marking on the top, no date or any other markings bottom side of barrel is a small crown with an N under it below that is the serial number 6101 and below that look like a script lower case L all metal parts are numbered 01 except the wood grips and magazine (no numbers on these) on left side of barrel above the takedown is another crown and N right side of barrel has no markings at all the crown N is also in a couple other spots NOW the really strange thing on left side German writing for safety GESICHERT standard but on the other side very small towards top is GERMANY (in english) minor bluing issues but inside looks really clean no rust. I would like to know if anyone of you experts know what i have I would be very curious to know appx age history and value, please let me know if you need any more info thanks in advance Joe

07-18-2012, 12:35 PM	#3
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Good looking gun. __________________ Trying to redo grand dads Luger the best I can.

07-18-2012, 01:06 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	It is a commercial luger, made in the 1920's or so, can't see the serial number or suffix likely in 7.65mm and not 9mm luger (see if a pencil fits down the tube, if yes, then 9mm) value would be around $800-$1100 - commercials, even in very nice shape don't sell for as much Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-18-2012, 01:10 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Looks like a .30 cal "Alphabet Commercial" manufactured by DWM in 1923 for export sale. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-18-2012, 06:27 PM	#10
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,627 Thanks: 3,166 Thanked 2,547 Times in 951 Posts	The price Ed gave you of $800-1100 is about right for around here. Commercials in 30 cal. are slow sellers at least here. Nice looking luger anyway!!. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

07-18-2012, 12:31 PM	#2
gatewayad User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	why did it not take the pics was it because of first post here are a few links http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597903512/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597841720/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597852424/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597855636/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/80161140@N02/7597836860/

07-18-2012, 02:15 PM	#7
gatewayad User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for your help guys, so i guess nothing special

07-18-2012, 04:07 PM	#8
milburn User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Thank you for sharing your good fortune. Hang onto it, as you don't find them that nice very often. Best regards, BW.

07-18-2012, 06:00 PM	#9
gatewayad User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any guess on a sell value

07-18-2012, 07:34 PM	#11
gatewayad User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Bill (and Ed) I assumed that was retail. So that's nice to hear did not realize it was worth that much. By the way clean and shiny inside no rust at all Thanks again Joe

07-20-2012, 10:30 PM	#12
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Very nice clean piece. It's worth keeping - at least until you decide which direction your collecting will take. Then you might trade it for something that fits your interests.