Shot Gun for Enfield No 2

ripcord810 · 07-29-2012, 07:51 PM

Came across a guy looking to trade this Enfield NO 2 .32 for a double barrel shot gun. I had a Springfield side by side 16 ga (pre model 5100) I've had for many years sitting in the gun cabinet. I had to kick in $100 to make the deal but think it was worth it. I know nothing about this old pistol other than all the numbers match on the cylinder, frame, barrel, and it is very tight. I am more of a ww2 collector and thinking of trying to trade it for a P38? Any thoughts?

alanint · 07-29-2012, 08:37 PM

Your gun is interesting but I don't believe it ever left the factory with that super short barrel. It has been altered so would have no real interest to a collector.

rolandtg · 07-29-2012, 08:46 PM

Interesting.
here's an article that discusses the "snub nose" Enfield.
http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/ENFIELD%2...ELD%20SNUB.htm

sheepherder · 07-29-2012, 09:02 PM

Day-em!!! That is a short cylinder!!!

The cartridge must be as wide as it is long!!!

But a very cool snub-nose!

(Looks like something I would have thought up...hmmmm...)

I'll have to keep a lookout for one of those...

Dave, can you show a side view of the complete revolver??? My monitor is cutting off the grip in the pics...

Edit: Well! There's one on GB right now, and a factory refurb at that...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=298359947

Have to check that in 3 days and see what it goes for...but I like Dave's better...

alanint · 07-29-2012, 09:21 PM

The .38 S&W is a fairly anemic load, but believed effective in Europe at that time.

ripcord810 · 07-29-2012, 09:37 PM

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for.. With an estimate of less than 500 of them maybe I should hang on to it

sheepherder · 07-29-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ripcord810

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for.. With an estimate of less than 500 of them maybe I should hang on to it

...But they're dealer/importer conversions...Not factory issued...

I'd be surprised if the one on GB hits $500...

ripcord810 · 07-29-2012, 09:47 PM

well I have just under $300 in this one and I agree it looks better than that one. Don't think I did to bad.

sheepherder · 07-29-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ripcord810

well I have just under $300 in this one and I agree it looks better than that one. Don't think I did to bad.

I think you did good, too...but it's hard to tell with only half a grip...

Patronen · 07-30-2012, 08:13 AM

Make that front sight snag proof, it wouldn't be a bad carry gun.

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ripcord810

I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for...

I asked the mates at Surplusrifles/Enfield what the markings meant on that GB snubbie...

alanint · 07-30-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Patronen

Make that front sight snag proof, it wouldn't be a bad carry gun.

Not in .38 S&W it would'nt, unless you merely want to annoy your assailant..

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 08:49 AM

Looking at your pics, Dave, your No 2 has the E in a D I ** but is not an FTR...It does have the British export firing proofs (the 3.7 Tons, .707" ? , .38, and a stylized "S" I think)...The ESC 320 is vaguely familiar...but I don't recall what it means...

(Heh...I like the itty bitty screw in the front sight blade)...

Occasionally you see these with a brass [sometimes steel] disc in the right grip panel...With or without markings...they were for unit identification...Unit designations stamped into the disc...Sometimes if you have a blank disc, it has been turned over to hide the unit markings...or completely removed to prevent your unit being known...Most times just a blank disc, as the FTR re-issues would be...

(Pic of a disc on the FTR'd GB No 2 below)

(It has the rounded front sight blade)

Dave, you have a cool little revolver...

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Not in .38 S&W it would'nt, unless you merely want to annoy your assailant..

Doug, I looked up the 38 S&W cartridge compared to the 9mm Parabellum...It's not all that far off...

Hmmmm...I just re-read Dave's first post...Doug, Dave wrote that it is a .32...but the export proofs look to me to be ".38"...

ripcord810 · 07-30-2012, 10:47 AM

yes, it's .38 I made a typo.. sorry

ripcord810 · 07-30-2012, 11:56 AM

This pistol does have the brass disc on the right side grip. It has a #4 in it?

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ripcord810

This pistol does have the brass disc on the right side grip. It has a #4 in it?

Can you take a pic of the whole right side, and maybe a closeup of the disc as well???

ripcord810 · 07-30-2012, 12:53 PM

Sorry, should have done that to begin with.

ripcord810 · 07-30-2012, 12:55 PM

Guess I should have put my glasses on as that certainly isnt a 4!! lol

sheepherder · 07-30-2012, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripcord810

This pistol does have the brass disc on the right side grip. It has a #4 in it?

Nope, that's the 'broad arrow'. Is it held in with a screw ? (Enfield rifle discs are held in with a screw - I have a couple from my rifles). If it comes off easily, there may be a unit designation on the back side.

07-29-2012, 07:51 PM	#1
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	Shot Gun for Enfield No 2 Came across a guy looking to trade this Enfield NO 2 .32 for a double barrel shot gun. I had a Springfield side by side 16 ga (pre model 5100) I've had for many years sitting in the gun cabinet. I had to kick in $100 to make the deal but think it was worth it. I know nothing about this old pistol other than all the numbers match on the cylinder, frame, barrel, and it is very tight. I am more of a ww2 collector and thinking of trying to trade it for a P38? Any thoughts? Attached Thumbnails

07-30-2012, 08:13 AM	#10
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	Make that front sight snag proof, it wouldn't be a bad carry gun. __________________ Dave

07-30-2012, 08:49 AM	#13
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Looking at your pics, Dave, your No 2 has the E in a D I ** but is not an FTR...It does have the British export firing proofs (the 3.7 Tons, .707" ? , .38, and a stylized "S" I think)...The ESC 320 is vaguely familiar...but I don't recall what it means... (Heh...I like the itty bitty screw in the front sight blade)... Occasionally you see these with a brass [sometimes steel] disc in the right grip panel...With or without markings...they were for unit identification...Unit designations stamped into the disc...Sometimes if you have a blank disc, it has been turned over to hide the unit markings...or completely removed to prevent your unit being known...Most times just a blank disc, as the FTR re-issues would be... (Pic of a disc on the FTR'd GB No 2 below) (It has the rounded front sight blade) Dave, you have a cool little revolver... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-30-2012, 12:53 PM	#18
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	Sorry, should have done that to begin with. Attached Thumbnails

07-29-2012, 08:37 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Your gun is interesting but I don't believe it ever left the factory with that super short barrel. It has been altered so would have no real interest to a collector.

07-29-2012, 08:46 PM	#3
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 476 Thanks: 376 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Interesting. here's an article that discusses the "snub nose" Enfield. http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/ENFIELD%2...ELD%20SNUB.htm

07-29-2012, 09:02 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Day-em!!! That is a short cylinder!!! The cartridge must be as wide as it is long!!! But a very cool snub-nose! (Looks like something I would have thought up...hmmmm...) I'll have to keep a lookout for one of those... Dave, can you show a side view of the complete revolver??? My monitor is cutting off the grip in the pics... Edit: Well! There's one on GB right now, and a factory refurb at that... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=298359947 Have to check that in 3 days and see what it goes for...but I like Dave's better... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-29-2012, 09:21 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The .38 S&W is a fairly anemic load, but believed effective in Europe at that time.

07-29-2012, 09:37 PM	#6
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	I'll be interested in seeing what that one sells for.. With an estimate of less than 500 of them maybe I should hang on to it

07-29-2012, 09:47 PM	#8
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	well I have just under $300 in this one and I agree it looks better than that one. Don't think I did to bad.

07-30-2012, 10:47 AM	#15
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	yes, it's .38 I made a typo.. sorry

07-30-2012, 11:56 AM	#16
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	This pistol does have the brass disc on the right side grip. It has a #4 in it?

07-30-2012, 12:55 PM	#19
ripcord810 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 139 Thanks: 146 Thanked 23 Times in 16 Posts	Guess I should have put my glasses on as that certainly isnt a 4!! lol