Nice 1916...

Pete Ebbink · 03-30-2006, 02:21 AM

This sure looks like a nice promising piece. Do other folks agree ?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976705106.htm

policeluger · 03-30-2006, 04:13 AM

I sure do Pete, what beautiful grips and over all finish...its got everything but a police sear safety.

the gunman · 03-30-2006, 10:59 AM

Pete that sure is a sweet 16

Revolvr · 03-30-2006, 12:09 PM

Looks quite good. The barrel length should be 4 inches right?

I tried to do something that perhaps isn't working well. I downloaded the photos and tried to measure the barrel length by measuring the barrel length and the length of the frame (in pixels) creating a ratio and multiplying by the known length of the frame. The start of the barrel is about 2 mm ahead of the edge of the side plate.

Each time I do this I get a barrel length of less than 4 inches, more like 3 5/8 to 3 7/8.

I also sized the image on my screen to 1:1 and just placed a post war commercial Luger next to the image. This Luger has a 3 7/8 barrel. The barrel length and the image matched.

I thought all wartime barrels were 4 inches or longer. Or is my analysis technique flawed?

-- Dan

Aaron · 03-30-2006, 06:49 PM

Your technique has a basic flaw. If the pistol is not photographed in a perfectly level position, the induced parallax will throw off your measurements significantly.

zeke1312 · 03-30-2006, 06:53 PM

How about this:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976707134.htm

What is your opinion?

policeluger · 03-30-2006, 06:54 PM

Another nice 1916...

zeke1312 · 03-30-2006, 07:46 PM

Is it a fair asking price? I assume it is because of the seller but just thought to ask your opinion.

policeluger · 03-30-2006, 08:23 PM

I would think a fair market price....

Pete Ebbink · 03-31-2006, 01:52 AM

The first one posted might not have import stampings.

I think if Peter Dunster (a LF member) is bringing in the other 1916 posted through Canada, I supect's Peter's importer here in the USA woudl apply his import stamping...

Given both guns are equally nice and both 1916 P-08's, I would go for the one without import stampings...but that is just my quirk.

dz · 03-31-2006, 12:42 PM

Sorry guys, but $1,500 for 1916 DWMs does not seem a fair price. I know what Simpson is asking for these guns but common WW1 guns at these prices? Something is wrong.

policeluger · 03-31-2006, 01:52 PM

Zim...ya I know what you are saying, also look at what 1920 commercials are bring....with the prices what they are, I feel this is a fair price...you should know I consider Peter a friend and have another of his guns coming, and I bought it because it was fair priced and in super condition, but feeling for dealing with Peter would not taint my feeling over this gun or my statements to you....just want to put all my card on the table.

zeke1312 · 04-01-2006, 12:28 AM

Well you folks got me to re-think the whole subject because of the import stamp thing.

Second, with some who think $14 to1500 is too much for a common 1916 pistol....

I'm glad I requested an opinion here....I'm probably going to back away from this particular luger.

One last question. Do all lugers coming from Canada have import stamps? To me that takes away the value some degree. In my mind if a pistol is let's say worth $2k, adding the stamp would devalue it to $1500 or some such factor.

Pete Ebbink · 04-01-2006, 12:49 AM

Pretty tired shooters are going for $ 1200 at my local gun shops.

I think the G-A 1916 is not badly priced...especially if the owner confirms no import-stampings...and that is only his asking price.

If I were into collecting all the WWI military lugers, I would be all over this one like flies at my local mexican restaurant...(food is wonderful, though...).

Pete Ebbink · 04-01-2006, 01:54 PM

Zeke,

If I am not mistaken, after 1968...all surplus military arms coming into the USA from anywhere outside the States are supposed to be import stamped "visibly" on the gun.

There is some debate as to what "visible" implies. I have seen a few lugers were the importer stamps are boldly done in good sized fonts underneath the wooden grips. Argument there is that they are still visible.

If a seller and an importer do not do so, that is another matter...

Marvin · 04-01-2006, 02:43 PM

About 6 years ago when I was working in Dallas, there was a Mil-Surp gun dealer in town. I visited several times and got to know the owner. He showed me some Lugers that had come in from Canada and there WAS an import stamp, but it was VERY light and located on the bottom of the magazine well! If you did not look very close, you would have missed it.

The Lugers were very nice, but he was asking about the same price as a non-import marked one the same vintage. I almost bought one, but decided that I did not want the import stamp.

03-30-2006, 02:21 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Nice 1916... This sure looks like a nice promising piece. Do other folks agree ? http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976705106.htm

03-30-2006, 04:13 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I sure do Pete, what beautiful grips and over all finish...its got everything but a police sear safety.

03-30-2006, 10:59 AM	#3
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Pete that sure is a sweet 16

03-30-2006, 12:09 PM	#4
Revolvr User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 86 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Looks quite good. The barrel length should be 4 inches right? I tried to do something that perhaps isn't working well. I downloaded the photos and tried to measure the barrel length by measuring the barrel length and the length of the frame (in pixels) creating a ratio and multiplying by the known length of the frame. The start of the barrel is about 2 mm ahead of the edge of the side plate. Each time I do this I get a barrel length of less than 4 inches, more like 3 5/8 to 3 7/8. I also sized the image on my screen to 1:1 and just placed a post war commercial Luger next to the image. This Luger has a 3 7/8 barrel. The barrel length and the image matched. I thought all wartime barrels were 4 inches or longer. Or is my analysis technique flawed? -- Dan

03-30-2006, 06:49 PM	#5
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Your technique has a basic flaw. If the pistol is not photographed in a perfectly level position, the induced parallax will throw off your measurements significantly.

03-30-2006, 06:53 PM	#6
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	How about this: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976707134.htm What is your opinion?

03-30-2006, 06:54 PM	#7
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Another nice 1916...

03-30-2006, 07:46 PM	#8
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Is it a fair asking price? I assume it is because of the seller but just thought to ask your opinion.

03-30-2006, 08:23 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I would think a fair market price....

03-31-2006, 01:52 AM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	The first one posted might not have import stampings. I think if Peter Dunster (a LF member) is bringing in the other 1916 posted through Canada, I supect's Peter's importer here in the USA woudl apply his import stamping... Given both guns are equally nice and both 1916 P-08's, I would go for the one without import stampings...but that is just my quirk.

03-31-2006, 12:42 PM	#11
dz Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 259 Thanks: 1 Thanked 55 Times in 39 Posts	Sorry guys, but $1,500 for 1916 DWMs does not seem a fair price. I know what Simpson is asking for these guns but common WW1 guns at these prices? Something is wrong.

03-31-2006, 01:52 PM	#12
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Zim...ya I know what you are saying, also look at what 1920 commercials are bring....with the prices what they are, I feel this is a fair price...you should know I consider Peter a friend and have another of his guns coming, and I bought it because it was fair priced and in super condition, but feeling for dealing with Peter would not taint my feeling over this gun or my statements to you....just want to put all my card on the table.

04-01-2006, 12:28 AM	#13
zeke1312 User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well you folks got me to re-think the whole subject because of the import stamp thing. Second, with some who think $14 to1500 is too much for a common 1916 pistol.... I'm glad I requested an opinion here....I'm probably going to back away from this particular luger. One last question. Do all lugers coming from Canada have import stamps? To me that takes away the value some degree. In my mind if a pistol is let's say worth $2k, adding the stamp would devalue it to $1500 or some such factor.

04-01-2006, 12:49 AM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Pretty tired shooters are going for $ 1200 at my local gun shops. I think the G-A 1916 is not badly priced...especially if the owner confirms no import-stampings...and that is only his asking price. If I were into collecting all the WWI military lugers, I would be all over this one like flies at my local mexican restaurant...(food is wonderful, though...).

04-01-2006, 01:54 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Zeke, If I am not mistaken, after 1968...all surplus military arms coming into the USA from anywhere outside the States are supposed to be import stamped "visibly" on the gun. There is some debate as to what "visible" implies. I have seen a few lugers were the importer stamps are boldly done in good sized fonts underneath the wooden grips. Argument there is that they are still visible. If a seller and an importer do not do so, that is another matter...

04-01-2006, 02:43 PM	#16
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	About 6 years ago when I was working in Dallas, there was a Mil-Surp gun dealer in town. I visited several times and got to know the owner. He showed me some Lugers that had come in from Canada and there WAS an import stamp, but it was VERY light and located on the bottom of the magazine well! If you did not look very close, you would have missed it. The Lugers were very nice, but he was asking about the same price as a non-import marked one the same vintage. I almost bought one, but decided that I did not want the import stamp.