Anyone ever seen this marking before?

Edward Tinker · 12-20-2005, 08:10 PM

This is from the inside of a 1920's Luger middle Toggle.

Anyone ever seen a Circle AK before?

Ed

Mike Fitz · 12-20-2005, 09:51 PM

Hi Ed,
I saw this one on Gunboards.com / Jan Still's Luger Pistols. It was part of a posting by LugerLou in regards to his Simson & Co. Suhl Luger S/N 8660.
Regards,
Mike

Edward Tinker · 12-20-2005, 09:54 PM

hmmm, James said he saw one, but not where! So, good memory sir!

very interesting...

this is from one of mine.

Herb · 12-20-2005, 10:02 PM

Interesting, my 6923 does not have it.

Edward Tinker · 12-20-2005, 10:19 PM

Out of all the ones I have seen, there are two? I am guessing a sub-contractor...

Mike Fitz · 12-20-2005, 10:32 PM

Probably the reason I remembered it was because of how close his serial number (8660) was to mine (8699).

I expected to see the "circle AK" when I stripped mine down. The 6 was there but no "circle AK".

Mike

wlyon · 12-20-2005, 11:43 PM

I have the same mark in a Simson luger.

Edward Tinker · 12-21-2005, 12:03 AM

Bill, that makes 3 then, interesting.

I'll have to check my pictures I got from folks (I am pretty sure I have your info)

Ed

Ron Smith · 12-21-2005, 09:57 AM

Ed,
Just checked all of my DWM 1920s , 1921s and BKIW. No "AK", but I think I found Herman GÃ?Â¶erings prom date's phone number.

Edward Tinker · 12-21-2005, 10:32 AM

My gut feeling is that we'll just find it on Simson's, but I am curious if it is on any Krieghoffs, as Kriegs were made in the same town.

Ed

Lugerdoc · 12-21-2005, 11:15 AM

Good one Ron. Sometimes the inspector marking in this area can be several digits &/or letters. I do not believe that the circled AK is an inspector's marking. Rather, some later modification or rebarrel of the luger. This may have been done on the underside of the manufacture's logo to free them from any further liability, under the laws of whatever country this was done in. (eg. Spain by Alkartasuna? as this was the same way that the French maked AKs Rubies in WW1).

12-20-2005, 08:10 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Anyone ever seen this marking before? This is from the inside of a 1920's Luger middle Toggle. Anyone ever seen a Circle AK before? Ed Attached Thumbnails

12-20-2005, 10:02 PM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Interesting, my 6923 does not have it. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

12-20-2005, 10:19 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Out of all the ones I have seen, there are two? I am guessing a sub-contractor... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-20-2005, 11:43 PM	#7
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,630 Thanks: 3,169 Thanked 2,552 Times in 952 Posts	I have the same mark in a Simson luger. __________________ Bill Lyon

12-21-2005, 09:57 AM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, Just checked all of my DWM 1920s , 1921s and BKIW. No "AK", but I think I found Herman GÃ?Â¶erings prom date's phone number. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-20-2005, 09:51 PM	#2
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Ed, I saw this one on Gunboards.com / Jan Still's Luger Pistols. It was part of a posting by LugerLou in regards to his Simson & Co. Suhl Luger S/N 8660. Regards, Mike

12-20-2005, 09:54 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	hmmm, James said he saw one, but not where! So, good memory sir! very interesting... this is from one of mine.

12-20-2005, 10:32 PM	#6
Mike Fitz User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leonia, NJ Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Probably the reason I remembered it was because of how close his serial number (8660) was to mine (8699). I expected to see the "circle AK" when I stripped mine down. The 6 was there but no "circle AK". Mike

12-21-2005, 12:03 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Bill, that makes 3 then, interesting. I'll have to check my pictures I got from folks (I am pretty sure I have your info) Ed

12-21-2005, 10:32 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	My gut feeling is that we'll just find it on Simson's, but I am curious if it is on any Krieghoffs, as Kriegs were made in the same town. Ed

12-21-2005, 11:15 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Good one Ron. Sometimes the inspector marking in this area can be several digits &/or letters. I do not believe that the circled AK is an inspector's marking. Rather, some later modification or rebarrel of the luger. This may have been done on the underside of the manufacture's logo to free them from any further liability, under the laws of whatever country this was done in. (eg. Spain by Alkartasuna? as this was the same way that the French maked AKs Rubies in WW1). __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net