Two test eagles

Mike B · 04-01-2018, 06:21 AM

For information only. I am not associated with or attempting to enhance their business.

Collectors firearms in Houston has two 1900 Test Eagles:
6485-- Looks correct
6778-- Appears to be restored. Looks like it might be a new number for Ron

Mike

Major Tom · 04-01-2018, 09:40 AM

Could you provide a link please? I couldn't find them on the website.

Edward Tinker · 04-01-2018, 11:30 AM

Look under modern firearms, lugers, both are there

Ron Wood · 04-01-2018, 01:32 PM

6485 has been for sale on their site at that price since August of 2015...it is an excellent professional restoration.
6778 sold at the December 2017 Rock Island Auction. It may have had a little bit of touch up, but overall it is a pretty decent gun. Interesting magazine on this one, it has an upper case "B" under the serial number.

ithacaartist · 04-01-2018, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Major Tom

Could you provide a link please? I couldn't find them on the website.

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/dw...luger-pr36041/

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/dw...luger-pr29478/

cirelaw · 04-04-2018, 12:00 AM

Dave, It you had to chose, which would you chose the original or redone?

sheepherder · 04-04-2018, 10:03 AM

Was the toggle lock originally strawed, like on this 'restored' 1900??? My 1900AE is too patina-ed to tell...

It seems that the other 'unrestored' 1900 has a strawed toggle lock as well...At least, it hasn't 'patina-ed' like the other strawed parts...

milesc2 · 04-04-2018, 11:06 AM

The toggle lock on my original 1900 AE is strawed.

I was wondering about the safety block / indicator flag. (The tab that comes up out of the frame and blocks the sear bar from moving.)
On mine and all of the original examples I have seen this part is left in the white.

Both of these guns appear to be strawed in this area. That would make me guess the strawed parts on the pistol listed as "original" have been redone at some point.
Also, this "original" pistol appears to have an incorrect front sight.

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

ithacaartist · 04-04-2018, 11:30 AM

The straw color is developed on the top molecules of the piece. Abrasion from handling and probably discoloration from skin oils or whatever wears away the color on the most exposed portions of the parts. Remember, they're still in the white because they don't have the "pre-rusted" protected qualities of the main finish. It makes perfect sense that the toggle lock retains the most straw color because it is submerged within the toggle knob.

The milled areas for indication of "safe" would certainly be susceptible to oxidation and all but the most carefully oiled and stored can't avoid taking on a touch of oxidation/color. It might be possible to detect in-hand a re-do by the difference between an area that has been polished to restore the raw surface there and one that has not (characteristic tool marks, etc.).

DavidJayUden · 04-04-2018, 11:39 AM

"I was wondering about the safety block / indicator flag."

I always thought the flag was left polished and not strawed, or so it appears.
dju

ithacaartist · 04-04-2018, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

"I was wondering about the safety block / indicator flag."

I always thought the flag was left polished and not strawed, or so it appears.
dju

The rust blue in the area was skimmed off by milling with an end cutter just enough to remove the finish. The tiny concentric swirls of its progress are there. Whether it was actually polished afterward at the factory, I can't say, but it would seem unnecessary, and might diminish the sharpness of the borders remaining after the cut.

milesc2 · 04-04-2018, 11:57 AM

Ithacaartist,

I seem to have caused some confusion. I was talking about the tab that comes up out of the frame and blocks the sear bar from moving.
I believe this tab should be in the white. It is strawed on both of these examples.

I was not referring to the milled out area under the safety lever that should also be in the white.

DonVoigt · 04-04-2018, 02:07 PM

The part of the safety that blocks the sear is always( dangerous to use in regard to lugers) in the white when original, on any model.

I don't include Swiss and Mauser 1970's vintage in this sweeping statement!

ithacaartist · 04-04-2018, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milesc2

Ithacaartist,

I seem to have caused some confusion. I was talking about the tab that comes up out of the frame and blocks the sear bar from moving.
I believe this tab should be in the white. It is strawed on both of these examples.

I was not referring to the milled out area under the safety lever that should also be in the white.

OK, got it now. Sorry about what must have been my sloppy reading. Don has you covered, though!

I think mixing the word safety in messed me up. The sear bar block/safety bar would only indicate that the gun is fully on safe for '08 (non-grip safety) models on, right?

DavidJayUden · 04-04-2018, 11:09 PM

"The sear bar block/safety bar would only indicate that the gun is fully on safe for '08 (non-grip safety) models on, right?"

If I'm getting you right, correct. If the safety bar is down on a P-08, the safety is off and it is ready to fire. If it is down on an earlier gun the safety is off AND the grip safety is compressed, so it too is ready to fire.
dju

04-01-2018, 06:21 AM	#1
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Two test eagles For information only. I am not associated with or attempting to enhance their business. Collectors firearms in Houston has two 1900 Test Eagles: 6485-- Looks correct 6778-- Appears to be restored. Looks like it might be a new number for Ron Mike

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Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 484 Thanks: 533 Thanked 227 Times in 124 Posts	Could you provide a link please? I couldn't find them on the website. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	6485 has been for sale on their site at that price since August of 2015...it is an excellent professional restoration. 6778 sold at the December 2017 Rock Island Auction. It may have had a little bit of touch up, but overall it is a pretty decent gun. Interesting magazine on this one, it has an upper case "B" under the serial number. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Was the toggle lock originally strawed, like on this 'restored' 1900??? My 1900AE is too patina-ed to tell... It seems that the other 'unrestored' 1900 has a strawed toggle lock as well...At least, it hasn't 'patina-ed' like the other strawed parts... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 04-04-2018 at 11:22 AM.

04-04-2018, 11:06 AM	#8
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	The toggle lock on my original 1900 AE is strawed. I was wondering about the safety block / indicator flag. (The tab that comes up out of the frame and blocks the sear bar from moving.) On mine and all of the original examples I have seen this part is left in the white. Both of these guns appear to be strawed in this area. That would make me guess the strawed parts on the pistol listed as "original" have been redone at some point. Also, this "original" pistol appears to have an incorrect front sight. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this? Last edited by milesc2; 04-04-2018 at 11:58 AM.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Look under modern firearms, lugers, both are there

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Dave, It you had to chose, which would you chose the original or redone?

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,346 Thanks: 7,273 Thanked 2,578 Times in 1,365 Posts	The straw color is developed on the top molecules of the piece. Abrasion from handling and probably discoloration from skin oils or whatever wears away the color on the most exposed portions of the parts. Remember, they're still in the white because they don't have the "pre-rusted" protected qualities of the main finish. It makes perfect sense that the toggle lock retains the most straw color because it is submerged within the toggle knob. The milled areas for indication of "safe" would certainly be susceptible to oxidation and all but the most carefully oiled and stored can't avoid taking on a touch of oxidation/color. It might be possible to detect in-hand a re-do by the difference between an area that has been polished to restore the raw surface there and one that has not (characteristic tool marks, etc.). __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

04-04-2018, 11:39 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"I was wondering about the safety block / indicator flag." I always thought the flag was left polished and not strawed, or so it appears. dju

04-04-2018, 11:57 AM	#12
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Ithacaartist, I seem to have caused some confusion. I was talking about the tab that comes up out of the frame and blocks the sear bar from moving. I believe this tab should be in the white. It is strawed on both of these examples. I was not referring to the milled out area under the safety lever that should also be in the white.

04-04-2018, 02:07 PM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	The part of the safety that blocks the sear is always( dangerous to use in regard to lugers) in the white when original, on any model. I don't include Swiss and Mauser 1970's vintage in this sweeping statement! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

04-04-2018, 11:09 PM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"The sear bar block/safety bar would only indicate that the gun is fully on safe for '08 (non-grip safety) models on, right?" If I'm getting you right, correct. If the safety bar is down on a P-08, the safety is off and it is ready to fire. If it is down on an earlier gun the safety is off AND the grip safety is compressed, so it too is ready to fire. dju