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jcn59 · 07-19-2012, 01:37 AM

I have a 4" DWM 9mm Luger that appears almost new. The action is tight and it functions as it should, no import marks, straw parts look new & bluing looks 95% with no pits.

I don't know a thing about Lugers. How would I go about using this forum to learn a bit about my pistol?

Thanks. After reading some of the posts here it seems that I am in the land of real experts.

Ron Wood · 07-19-2012, 01:57 AM

To learn more about your Luger, the first three things that come to mind are photos, photos and photos. Top, both sides and under the barrel to start with. Is there a date over the chamber? To provide information about your Luger, we need a bit more to start with.
Looking forward to helping you with your Luger.

policeluger · 07-19-2012, 04:47 AM

Welcome here........

Edward Tinker · 07-19-2012, 09:18 AM

As said above, pictures and info of the gun.

In the technical pages are 'ID" sheets that you can print out and then write down the info you see, then tell us what is what....

Ed

lugerholsterrepair · 07-19-2012, 11:52 AM

If there are straw parts it is likely a pre mauser pistol. Is there a script DWM or Erfurt on the top of the toggle?

Much more information is required to say anything for sure.

jcn59 · 07-19-2012, 02:22 PM

Some pics, I hope...

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The pic I didn't get was the front part of the metal grip which was stamped "8.R8.2". The magazine and checkered wood scales don't have a serial number. The pins that run through the toggle are blued on the ends. There is no date on the top of the chamber area. The toggle has "zero" sideway "slop" in the fitting of the parts. The straw parts look 100% to me. The stamped markings look strong to me. The underside of the barrel is marked "55 43" as is the frame adjacent to the barrel stamping. Just below these these numbers is something that looks like a lower case cursive "a". I bought this pistol at a gun show from people who seemed sincere and honest for a good price. I think I got lucky. Can anyone help me identify what I have? Thanks!

Terry Tiell · 07-19-2012, 02:33 PM

Wow thats nice!

lugerholsterrepair · 07-19-2012, 02:38 PM

Pictures are too tiny and out of focus..plus taken with a flash. Try them next to a window in natural light. Get a good closeup in focus.

With just the photo's you have..does it have a stock lug?

Get a good photo of the markings on the left side just aft of the barrel. It is looking like a pre 1910 but I cannot tell even with blowing up your photo's as best I could.

It is a DWM in seemingly nice shape but good photo's will tell if it's a re blue.

The grip strap marking indicates military issue. No date on the chamber makes it pre 1910 unless the date has been scrubbed off.

jcn59 · 07-19-2012, 03:48 PM

The proof marks look like #12, a 1908 DWM military with no chamber date. What do you think? Do the stampings or anything else look like a reblue. I'm not lucky enough to have it be a pristine original Luger. THANKS AGAIN!

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Ron Wood · 07-19-2012, 03:52 PM

The photos are tantalizing but as Jerry states, they are not very useful. From the indistinct images it looks like a nice gun. Are you sure the grip markings are not B.R8.2? The first image looks like there are proof marks on the left side of the receiver. You may have a 1908 First Issue that went to the Bavarian 8th Regiment, but we will need much better photos to tell more.

Ron Wood · 07-19-2012, 03:54 PM

You posted your photos while I was typing. You do indeed have a 1908 First Issue and so far it looks like a nice one.

jcn59 · 07-19-2012, 04:05 PM

Thanks, Ron & the rest!

8.R.8.2

The "R" is a sort of fancy script almost twice as high as the two "8"s. The "2" is about half the size of the "8"s.

The first marking is clearly an "8".

Curly1 · 07-19-2012, 04:26 PM

Nice one, welcome to the forum.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-19-2012, 04:44 PM

That's what I'm talking about! Great photo's! This pistol will not have a stock lug. The markings look a little washed out..Blue looks good but will need more pics to determine it it's a refinnish.

Is the muzzle in the white? Have you disassembled the pistol?

RichSr · 07-19-2012, 05:25 PM

Welcome to the Forum
A nice looking First Issue but I believe that the relieved trigger bar indicates at least one none original part.

Ron Smith · 07-19-2012, 05:30 PM

8.R.8.2. Would be 8th Reserve Infantry Regt. Company 8 weapon 2.

Ron

Patronen · 07-19-2012, 06:03 PM

Welcome to the forum.
Like others said, more pics would help everyone help you.

jcn59 · 07-19-2012, 08:32 PM

The muzzle end of the barrel, and I am speaking of the entire radiused crown, has no bluing. There is slight bluing wear on the side of the barrel at the muzzle as might be caused by a holster.

I have not field stripped the pistol as it seems very clean to me. I did look at the youtube instructions for field strip which was very thorough. Thank you.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-19-2012, 08:43 PM

The muzzle end of the barrel, and I am speaking of the entire radiused crown, has no bluing. That is a good sign.

jcn59 · 07-19-2012, 08:53 PM

Thank you, sir! What else should I be looking for, I wonder?

07-19-2012, 01:57 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	To learn more about your Luger, the first three things that come to mind are photos, photos and photos. Top, both sides and under the barrel to start with. Is there a date over the chamber? To provide information about your Luger, we need a bit more to start with. Looking forward to helping you with your Luger. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-19-2012, 09:18 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	As said above, pictures and info of the gun. In the technical pages are 'ID" sheets that you can print out and then write down the info you see, then tell us what is what.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-19-2012, 11:52 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	If there are straw parts it is likely a pre mauser pistol. Is there a script DWM or Erfurt on the top of the toggle? Much more information is required to say anything for sure. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-19-2012, 02:22 PM	#6
jcn59 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some pics, I hope... ;;;;;; The pic I didn't get was the front part of the metal grip which was stamped "8.R8.2". The magazine and checkered wood scales don't have a serial number. The pins that run through the toggle are blued on the ends. There is no date on the top of the chamber area. The toggle has "zero" sideway "slop" in the fitting of the parts. The straw parts look 100% to me. The stamped markings look strong to me. The underside of the barrel is marked "55 43" as is the frame adjacent to the barrel stamping. Just below these these numbers is something that looks like a lower case cursive "a". I bought this pistol at a gun show from people who seemed sincere and honest for a good price. I think I got lucky. Can anyone help me identify what I have? Thanks!

07-19-2012, 02:33 PM	#7
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Wow thats nice! __________________ Trying to redo grand dads Luger the best I can.

07-19-2012, 01:37 AM	#1
jcn59 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New to forum I have a 4" DWM 9mm Luger that appears almost new. The action is tight and it functions as it should, no import marks, straw parts look new & bluing looks 95% with no pits. I don't know a thing about Lugers. How would I go about using this forum to learn a bit about my pistol? Thanks. After reading some of the posts here it seems that I am in the land of real experts.

07-19-2012, 04:47 AM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Welcome here........

07-19-2012, 02:38 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	Pictures are too tiny and out of focus..plus taken with a flash. Try them next to a window in natural light. Get a good closeup in focus. With just the photo's you have..does it have a stock lug? Get a good photo of the markings on the left side just aft of the barrel. It is looking like a pre 1910 but I cannot tell even with blowing up your photo's as best I could. It is a DWM in seemingly nice shape but good photo's will tell if it's a re blue. The grip strap marking indicates military issue. No date on the chamber makes it pre 1910 unless the date has been scrubbed off. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-19-2012, 03:48 PM	#9
jcn59 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The proof marks look like #12, a 1908 DWM military with no chamber date. What do you think? Do the stampings or anything else look like a reblue. I'm not lucky enough to have it be a pristine original Luger. THANKS AGAIN! ; __________________ NRA Life Member and proud of it. Never, never, never give up! W. Churchill

07-19-2012, 03:52 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	The photos are tantalizing but as Jerry states, they are not very useful. From the indistinct images it looks like a nice gun. Are you sure the grip markings are not B.R8.2? The first image looks like there are proof marks on the left side of the receiver. You may have a 1908 First Issue that went to the Bavarian 8th Regiment, but we will need much better photos to tell more. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-19-2012, 03:54 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	You posted your photos while I was typing. You do indeed have a 1908 First Issue and so far it looks like a nice one. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-19-2012, 04:05 PM	#12
jcn59 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, Ron & the rest! 8.R.8.2 The "R" is a sort of fancy script almost twice as high as the two "8"s. The "2" is about half the size of the "8"s. The first marking is clearly an "8". __________________ NRA Life Member and proud of it. Never, never, never give up! W. Churchill

07-19-2012, 04:26 PM	#13
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,234 Thanks: 116 Thanked 706 Times in 368 Posts	Nice one, welcome to the forum. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

07-19-2012, 04:44 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	That's what I'm talking about! Great photo's! This pistol will not have a stock lug. The markings look a little washed out..Blue looks good but will need more pics to determine it it's a refinnish. Is the muzzle in the white? Have you disassembled the pistol? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-19-2012, 05:25 PM	#15
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Welcome to the Forum A nice looking First Issue but I believe that the relieved trigger bar indicates at least one none original part. __________________ Rich

07-19-2012, 05:30 PM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	8.R.8.2. Would be 8th Reserve Infantry Regt. Company 8 weapon 2. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-19-2012, 06:03 PM	#17
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	Welcome to the forum. Like others said, more pics would help everyone help you. __________________ Dave

07-19-2012, 08:32 PM	#18
jcn59 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The muzzle end of the barrel, and I am speaking of the entire radiused crown, has no bluing. There is slight bluing wear on the side of the barrel at the muzzle as might be caused by a holster. I have not field stripped the pistol as it seems very clean to me. I did look at the youtube instructions for field strip which was very thorough. Thank you. __________________ NRA Life Member and proud of it. Never, never, never give up! W. Churchill Last edited by jcn59; 07-19-2012 at 08:35 PM. Reason: What is a "relieved trigger bar"

07-19-2012, 08:43 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,121 Times in 1,432 Posts	The muzzle end of the barrel, and I am speaking of the entire radiused crown, has no bluing. That is a good sign. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-19-2012, 08:53 PM	#20
jcn59 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you, sir! What else should I be looking for, I wonder? __________________ NRA Life Member and proud of it. Never, never, never give up! W. Churchill