Magazine Ratings

LugerLizzie · 02-04-2004, 06:12 PM

What are the basic differences in original Luger magazines? Which is more desirable blued or nickle finish? rolled or extruded? How do you tell the difference between rolled or extruded? seam? or seamless?????????

policeluger · 02-04-2004, 07:00 PM

As a collector, the most desirable mag is the correct one.

LugerLizzie · 02-04-2004, 07:07 PM

How could I be so stupid......

Ron Wood · 02-04-2004, 07:55 PM

"Rolled" magazines are made in two pieces, front and back, that are joined by a side seam that is roll crimped together. Extruded magazines are made just like copper tubing, the metal is extruded through a forming die that produces a tube that has no seams. The rolled type magazine is correct for all Lugers produced from 1900 through the 1920s. The extruded magazines, particularly those made by Haenel, are very fine magazines and are considered to represent the best functioning magazines made for the Luger. In point of fact, either type of magazine in good condition and proper strength spring work quite well.

As to which type, nickel or blued, is more desirable, see policeluger's response.

LugerLizzie · 02-04-2004, 09:20 PM

How do you identify a magazine made by Haenel

LugerLizzie · 02-04-2004, 09:26 PM

Which would be the most correct magazine type for my "G" date? what type bottom piece would it have? Rolled or extruded, blued or nickel?

Heinz · 02-04-2004, 09:31 PM

Ron, are the rolled seam magazines also soldered after the roll crimp or is the seal strictly mechanical? I have looked at mine and cannot tell.

LugerLizzie, the Haenel Schmeisser magazines are stamped with the Haenel Schmeisser or Haenel Schmeisser Patent on either the back of the spine or the side of the magazine on the police issue magazines, along with an arrow mark. The mark on the magazine spine may be worn. There a 4 types of police Haenel magazines. The army Haenel magazine is marked with a 122 code number and sometimes an eagle over a 37 on the left side of the magazine.

heinz

policeluger · 02-04-2004, 09:32 PM

It will be marked on side or back with "Haenel" inside an arrow, and followed by the word "schemeisser" and with or without the addition of the word "patent"....and it always is an extruded type, without a seam.

G.T. · 02-04-2004, 10:37 PM

Hi Heinz, The rolled sheetmetal mags are just crimped tightly together in a final forming die with an inside mandrel... There is no solder or any type of adhesive in the seam.. in fact, in order to make this joint, the metal has to be about dead soft to maybe quarter hard... (one of the major problems with all luger mags!) You will occasionally find an original mag that has been slightly heat treated or made with too hard of steel, and they will seperate in this critical joint... it was a lot of work to make them... and still is! best to you! till...lat'r....GT

RockinWR · 02-04-2004, 11:49 PM

Mr. Kim,
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Which would be the most correct magazine type for my "G" date? what type bottom piece would it have? Rolled or extruded, blued or nickel? <hr /></blockquote>* An Army "G" date will have a rolled & crimped, tin colored, Sheet metal tube with an Alum. side pinned base plug.
* The matching mag will bear the pistol's serial number, complete with the suffix letter, on the base plug. Also, a "+" symbol may appear on the base if the mag is the reserve numbered mag. to the pistol. Finally, one Army Waffen Inspector's Acceptance Stamp will appear on the base plug.
* As you can see from Frank's "G" date acceptance stamp study, posted here on the Forum, a wide range of WaA stamp numbers could appear.
* Usually (I say with a degree of trepedation as a very general rule <img border="0" alt="[icon501]" title="" src="graemlins/icon501.gif" /> ) the mag's WaA will be one of the same stamps which appear on the right receiver of the pistol.
* A Police or Navy Variation is a different story.
* Trust this responds to your query

.
Bob

LugerLizzie · 02-05-2004, 12:58 AM

RockinWR, Thanks for the info, Now I have a starting point for my search. The magazine that came with my G date has a strange grey coating on the metal, it has an aluminum base with no markings. But the strangest part is the button that you slide down while your loading it doesn't have the usual? checkering it has concentric circles.... any guesses?? Where could I get a magazine that would go with my Luger?

John Sabato · 02-05-2004, 09:55 AM

Two of the best sources for mags are Don Hallock and Tom Heller...

Lugerdoc · 02-05-2004, 10:29 AM

LL, The mag that you describe above is a post WW2 Danish made commerical mag. Quite often, these are marked on the aluminum bottom (usually has an "L" shape casting flaw) "Made in Denmark". I do have a couple of d,e and f suffice DWE/63 proofed G date mags available in the $100 to $150 range and would consider taking your Danish mag as partial trade, although I would recommend you keeping it if you intend shooting you luger very much. TH

LugerLizzie · 02-05-2004, 10:41 AM

Thanks Tom, check your private messages!!!!, I don't think you would be interested in my magazine, some guy carved his initials ( JW )and the date on it back on May 12,1953!!!

02-04-2004, 06:12 PM	#1
LugerLizzie User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calif. Coast Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Magazine Ratings What are the basic differences in original Luger magazines? Which is more desirable blued or nickle finish? rolled or extruded? How do you tell the difference between rolled or extruded? seam? or seamless?????????

02-04-2004, 07:55 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,989 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	"Rolled" magazines are made in two pieces, front and back, that are joined by a side seam that is roll crimped together. Extruded magazines are made just like copper tubing, the metal is extruded through a forming die that produces a tube that has no seams. The rolled type magazine is correct for all Lugers produced from 1900 through the 1920s. The extruded magazines, particularly those made by Haenel, are very fine magazines and are considered to represent the best functioning magazines made for the Luger. In point of fact, either type of magazine in good condition and proper strength spring work quite well. As to which type, nickel or blued, is more desirable, see policeluger's response. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-04-2004, 11:49 PM	#10
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Mr. Kim, </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> Which would be the most correct magazine type for my "G" date? what type bottom piece would it have? Rolled or extruded, blued or nickel? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">* An Army "G" date will have a rolled & crimped, tin colored, Sheet metal tube with an Alum. side pinned base plug. * The matching mag will bear the pistol's serial number, complete with the suffix letter, on the base plug. Also, a "+" symbol may appear on the base if the mag is the reserve numbered mag. to the pistol. Finally, one Army Waffen Inspector's Acceptance Stamp will appear on the base plug. * As you can see from Frank's "G" date acceptance stamp study, posted here on the Forum, a wide range of WaA stamp numbers could appear. * Usually (I say with a degree of trepedation as a very general rule <img border="0" alt="[icon501]" title="" src="graemlins/icon501.gif" /> ) the mag's WaA will be one of the same stamps which appear on the right receiver of the pistol. * A Police or Navy Variation is a different story. * Trust this responds to your query . Bob

02-05-2004, 09:55 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Two of the best sources for mags are Don Hallock and Tom Heller... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-05-2004, 10:29 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	LL, The mag that you describe above is a post WW2 Danish made commerical mag. Quite often, these are marked on the aluminum bottom (usually has an "L" shape casting flaw) "Made in Denmark". I do have a couple of d,e and f suffice DWE/63 proofed G date mags available in the $100 to $150 range and would consider taking your Danish mag as partial trade, although I would recommend you keeping it if you intend shooting you luger very much. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-04-2004, 07:00 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	As a collector, the most desirable mag is the correct one.

02-04-2004, 07:07 PM	#3
LugerLizzie User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calif. Coast Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How could I be so stupid......

02-04-2004, 09:20 PM	#5
LugerLizzie User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calif. Coast Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How do you identify a magazine made by Haenel

02-04-2004, 09:26 PM	#6
LugerLizzie User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calif. Coast Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Which would be the most correct magazine type for my "G" date? what type bottom piece would it have? Rolled or extruded, blued or nickel?

02-04-2004, 09:31 PM	#7
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Ron, are the rolled seam magazines also soldered after the roll crimp or is the seal strictly mechanical? I have looked at mine and cannot tell. LugerLizzie, the Haenel Schmeisser magazines are stamped with the Haenel Schmeisser or Haenel Schmeisser Patent on either the back of the spine or the side of the magazine on the police issue magazines, along with an arrow mark. The mark on the magazine spine may be worn. There a 4 types of police Haenel magazines. The army Haenel magazine is marked with a 122 code number and sometimes an eagle over a 37 on the left side of the magazine. heinz

02-04-2004, 09:32 PM	#8
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	It will be marked on side or back with "Haenel" inside an arrow, and followed by the word "schemeisser" and with or without the addition of the word "patent"....and it always is an extruded type, without a seam.

02-04-2004, 10:37 PM	#9
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Heinz, The rolled sheetmetal mags are just crimped tightly together in a final forming die with an inside mandrel... There is no solder or any type of adhesive in the seam.. in fact, in order to make this joint, the metal has to be about dead soft to maybe quarter hard... (one of the major problems with all luger mags!) You will occasionally find an original mag that has been slightly heat treated or made with too hard of steel, and they will seperate in this critical joint... it was a lot of work to make them... and still is! best to you! till...lat'r....GT

02-05-2004, 12:58 AM	#11
LugerLizzie User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calif. Coast Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	RockinWR, Thanks for the info, Now I have a starting point for my search. The magazine that came with my G date has a strange grey coating on the metal, it has an aluminum base with no markings. But the strangest part is the button that you slide down while your loading it doesn't have the usual? checkering it has concentric circles.... any guesses?? Where could I get a magazine that would go with my Luger?

02-05-2004, 10:41 AM	#14
LugerLizzie User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calif. Coast Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Tom, check your private messages!!!!, I don't think you would be interested in my magazine, some guy carved his initials ( JW )and the date on it back on May 12,1953!!!