Waffenampted follower ??

kidvett · 03-03-2004, 09:45 PM

Hello,

I sripped down a 122 Code mag to find a Waffenampt ( Firing Proof ) follower. Was this common procedure ??

Mark

G.T. · 03-04-2004, 01:12 AM

Hi Mark! Yup! It is on the code 122 & fxo mag's.... I really haven't paid too much attention to the followers in the sheet metal mags... but the best followers dimensionally are the ones like you have pictured with the acceptance mark! They are what I use to function test repaired shells... you can tell the best type by the waffenamt, and by the way they were step lightened underneath with an endmill! Best to you Mark! til...lat'r....GT

Doubs · 03-04-2004, 01:14 AM

I just checked a mag I have that matches Jan Still's criteria for an early 1940 issue; 122, E/37 left side of blued body top and bottom, zig-zag spring, serial number in the "h" block and the follower is blue. It does not have a stamp of any kind on it. (The mag I have has seen better days and the follower button is missing so it's a "parts" mag at the moment. However, it was complete when I got it but the follower fell out at the range and I was never able to find it.))

G.T. · 03-04-2004, 02:13 AM

Hi Doubs! Look on the bottom to see if the follower was relieved, lightened, by an endmill...(radiused ends of the relief) or is it an earlier type made/cast with sintered steel, like the sheetmetal mags have had from early on... if it is radiused and missing the stamp, then I would say it is a little unusual?? But, then again...who knows?? til...lat'r...GT

ratdog · 03-04-2004, 09:42 AM

Isn't a true WaA one with the manufacturer's number? I don't see that in the pic, just the Eagle. What is just the Eagle called, a proof stamp?

Dwight Gruber · 03-04-2004, 10:08 AM

Ratdog,

You are correct, this eagle is the one associated with power-proof, appearing on the right receiver, barrel, and left breechblock; found on S/42 (4-digit year), code 42, and byf P-08 (Whittington, vol. I). Actually I believe I remember seeing this mark on a G date as well, but no longer have the gun and cannot check.

As I am discovering with Imperial guns, in practice these stamps were sometimes used at variance with what one expects from official instruction, and at such times one can deduce nothing from their application.

--Dwight

Lugerdoc · 03-04-2004, 10:11 AM

RD, I have 10 of these Schmeisser mag followers available @$15 each. They are all marked on left side with E/37 and undercut as GT described above. TH

ratdog · 03-04-2004, 10:18 AM

I have seen them on my MP40 mag followers when I had them torn apart for cleaning. I believe they had the manufacturer's # code......................Bruce

Doubs · 03-04-2004, 12:14 PM

G.T., my follower has been lightened and radiused but it's also perfectly flat on the bottom edge while the illustrated one is not. Mine also seems to have been milled from a solid piece of steel... it's too heavy to be alloy. The milling marks are very evident on some surfaces while others are polished smooth. A quality-made piece.

Lugerdoc · 03-05-2004, 11:14 AM

Morgan, I've seen two type of PO8 mag followers, neither WaAed, that are not hollowed out in the standard fashion. One is solid, but grooved on the bottom as GT described, and the other type has 3 lightening holes drilled into the bottom and has a smaller than normal diameter "follower button" hole, drilled on the left side. TH

G.T. · 03-05-2004, 10:24 PM

Hi Doubs! I would have to look it over closely to make an accurate evaluation of it's origin?? How is it lightened? if it dosen't have the circular end mill cuts up from the bottom, it may be of the sintered steel variety... The flat bottom is interesting...I'll look at more of my followers to see if I can find any like the one you describe...best to you! til...lat'r....GT

Doubs · 03-06-2004, 03:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by G.T.:
Hi Doubs! I would have to look it over closely to make an accurate evaluation of it's origin? Til...lat'r....GT<hr /></blockquote>G.T., here are some pictures of my follower. I'd like your opinion of it. The finish, BTW, is somewhat glossy black.

G.T. · 03-06-2004, 06:45 PM

Hi Doubs! It is somewhat of a mystery to me... It is definitly robust & very well made, as you stated earlier... the flat bottom would make it seen as if it were designed to be dedicated to the zig-zag type spring of the "122" "fxo" type mag... the lightening cuts in the bottom resemble cuts on followers also used in these type mags, although the ones I'm familier with are more of a straight plunge in a series of steps rather then end milled flat... another unusual feature of your follower is the deep side relief for the tip of the follower button shaft, where it is normally rivited flush, or just expanded... I don't recall ever seeing a follower like the one you picture..it is pretty neat though.. and gives me some ideas as to our planned follower production! thanks for the look Doubs! Sorry I can't be of more help...maybe Tom knows where it comes from?? Til...lat'r....GT

Lugerdoc · 03-08-2004, 11:10 AM

Doubs, I've not seen on like your in the many PO8 mags that I've stripped for parts. The fact that it's blued, unproofed and unusual, leads me to think that it might be DDR production, as I've not taken apart one of these new production 2/1001 mags before. You might want to, to test my theory. TH

Vlim · 03-08-2004, 11:36 AM

Hi,

I agree with Tom, The blueing and shape matches the 2/1001 postwar layout. Had a look at mine (without disassembling it) and it seems a pretty good match.

Doubs · 03-08-2004, 01:45 PM

I've just examined three more mags that I can verify 100% came to me with E. German reworked Lugers. Two are fxo E/37 P.08 mags and one is a 2/1001 Hanel E. German mag. ALL had blued followers made of steel and staggered springs. All seem to have been made the same as the one I've posted photos of. The two fxo mag followers didn't have the beveled lower forward edge and were straight at that point. The Hanel mag was beveled just as the one pictured is.

I didn't disassemble any of them but examined them under a lighted magnifier. As far as I can determine, the followers are all the same design as the one pictured.

03-03-2004, 09:45 PM	#1
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Waffenampted follower ?? Hello, I sripped down a 122 Code mag to find a Waffenampt ( Firing Proof ) follower. Was this common procedure ?? Mark

03-04-2004, 10:11 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	RD, I have 10 of these Schmeisser mag followers available @$15 each. They are all marked on left side with E/37 and undercut as GT described above. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-05-2004, 11:14 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Morgan, I've seen two type of PO8 mag followers, neither WaAed, that are not hollowed out in the standard fashion. One is solid, but grooved on the bottom as GT described, and the other type has 3 lightening holes drilled into the bottom and has a smaller than normal diameter "follower button" hole, drilled on the left side. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-06-2004, 03:16 PM	#12
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by G.T.: <strong>Hi Doubs! I would have to look it over closely to make an accurate evaluation of it's origin? Til...lat'r....GT</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">G.T., here are some pictures of my follower. I'd like your opinion of it. The finish, BTW, is somewhat glossy black.

03-08-2004, 11:10 AM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Doubs, I've not seen on like your in the many PO8 mags that I've stripped for parts. The fact that it's blued, unproofed and unusual, leads me to think that it might be DDR production, as I've not taken apart one of these new production 2/1001 mags before. You might want to, to test my theory. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-04-2004, 01:12 AM	#2
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Mark! Yup! It is on the code 122 & fxo mag's.... I really haven't paid too much attention to the followers in the sheet metal mags... but the best followers dimensionally are the ones like you have pictured with the acceptance mark! They are what I use to function test repaired shells... you can tell the best type by the waffenamt, and by the way they were step lightened underneath with an endmill! Best to you Mark! til...lat'r....GT

03-04-2004, 01:14 AM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	I just checked a mag I have that matches Jan Still's criteria for an early 1940 issue; 122, E/37 left side of blued body top and bottom, zig-zag spring, serial number in the "h" block and the follower is blue. It does not have a stamp of any kind on it. (The mag I have has seen better days and the follower button is missing so it's a "parts" mag at the moment. However, it was complete when I got it but the follower fell out at the range and I was never able to find it.))

03-04-2004, 02:13 AM	#4
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Doubs! Look on the bottom to see if the follower was relieved, lightened, by an endmill...(radiused ends of the relief) or is it an earlier type made/cast with sintered steel, like the sheetmetal mags have had from early on... if it is radiused and missing the stamp, then I would say it is a little unusual?? But, then again...who knows?? til...lat'r...GT

03-04-2004, 09:42 AM	#5
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Isn't a true WaA one with the manufacturer's number? I don't see that in the pic, just the Eagle. What is just the Eagle called, a proof stamp?

03-04-2004, 10:08 AM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Ratdog, You are correct, this eagle is the one associated with power-proof, appearing on the right receiver, barrel, and left breechblock; found on S/42 (4-digit year), code 42, and byf P-08 (Whittington, vol. I). Actually I believe I remember seeing this mark on a G date as well, but no longer have the gun and cannot check. As I am discovering with Imperial guns, in practice these stamps were sometimes used at variance with what one expects from official instruction, and at such times one can deduce nothing from their application. --Dwight

03-04-2004, 10:18 AM	#8
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have seen them on my MP40 mag followers when I had them torn apart for cleaning. I believe they had the manufacturer's # code......................Bruce

03-04-2004, 12:14 PM	#9
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	G.T., my follower has been lightened and radiused but it's also perfectly flat on the bottom edge while the illustrated one is not. Mine also seems to have been milled from a solid piece of steel... it's too heavy to be alloy. The milling marks are very evident on some surfaces while others are polished smooth. A quality-made piece.

03-05-2004, 10:24 PM	#11
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Doubs! I would have to look it over closely to make an accurate evaluation of it's origin?? How is it lightened? if it dosen't have the circular end mill cuts up from the bottom, it may be of the sintered steel variety... The flat bottom is interesting...I'll look at more of my followers to see if I can find any like the one you describe...best to you! til...lat'r....GT

03-06-2004, 06:45 PM	#13
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Doubs! It is somewhat of a mystery to me... It is definitly robust & very well made, as you stated earlier... the flat bottom would make it seen as if it were designed to be dedicated to the zig-zag type spring of the "122" "fxo" type mag... the lightening cuts in the bottom resemble cuts on followers also used in these type mags, although the ones I'm familier with are more of a straight plunge in a series of steps rather then end milled flat... another unusual feature of your follower is the deep side relief for the tip of the follower button shaft, where it is normally rivited flush, or just expanded... I don't recall ever seeing a follower like the one you picture..it is pretty neat though.. and gives me some ideas as to our planned follower production! thanks for the look Doubs! Sorry I can't be of more help...maybe Tom knows where it comes from?? Til...lat'r....GT

03-08-2004, 11:36 AM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,045 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,943 Times in 1,196 Posts	Hi, I agree with Tom, The blueing and shape matches the 2/1001 postwar layout. Had a look at mine (without disassembling it) and it seems a pretty good match.

03-08-2004, 01:45 PM	#16
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	I've just examined three more mags that I can verify 100% came to me with E. German reworked Lugers. Two are fxo E/37 P.08 mags and one is a 2/1001 Hanel E. German mag. ALL had blued followers made of steel and staggered springs. All seem to have been made the same as the one I've posted photos of. The two fxo mag followers didn't have the beveled lower forward edge and were straight at that point. The Hanel mag was beveled just as the one pictured is. I didn't disassemble any of them but examined them under a lighted magnifier. As far as I can determine, the followers are all the same design as the one pictured.