7.65 Parabellum

swampsavage · 11-21-2012, 03:30 PM

Just back from a range session with my newly acquired 1906 AE. The Fiocchi 7.65 performed flawlessly. Sure beats using Winchester at more than twice the price. It's incredibly clean also.

rhuff · 11-21-2012, 05:23 PM

I, also, have been very pleased with the Fiocchi 92gr FMJ ammo. The brass is also excellent for reloading, as I reload for my handguns in 30 Luger caliber. I refuse to pay the price for Winchester ammo, as I shoot my 7.65 Para guns often, and quite an amount/session.

mystical_tutor · 09-11-2013, 05:15 PM

I tried several times to load for the 7.65. All without success. I could never get a cremp that would hold the bullet tight enough to keep it from pushing back into the cartridge. It sounds like these you are using are loaded by someone but I have not seen that name around here.

Have a link to their web site?

rhuff · 09-12-2013, 05:58 PM

As Rick has alluded to, if you were trying to load Hornady or Sierra 85gr jacketed bullets with .308 dia. and your expander ball was .307-.308in. you will get no neck tension and set back when the bullet strikes the feed ramp. Crimping heavily makes it worse!! You will need to decrease the diameter of the expander ball down to .303-.304in. to get good neck tension. I had ZERO luck trying to use Lee dies, and basically put them "somewhere else" rather than on my press. The 30 Luger round takes some "tuning" of the dies, but it can be done.

dfm · 09-20-2013, 12:02 AM

Before changing/modifying your dies mic the bore of your gun. The majority of pre-WWII guns I've checked run more to .311 dia. then to .308. You might just need a larger dia. bullet to mitigate your reloading problems. And increase your accuracy at the same time.

My favorite .30 Luger is a 1970s Mauser Parabellum and it's barrel is spot on at .311 dia.

mrerick · 09-20-2013, 12:31 AM

Fiocchi Ammo:

http://www.fiocchiusa.com/foa/CMS/Mainpage.aspx

.30 Luger / 7.65 Parabellum details:

http://www.fiocchiusa.com/foa/CMS/pr...6.aspx?id=4212

jsnoy · 02-19-2014, 05:47 PM

For the last three months I've been searching the web for any .30 cal Luger ammo either Winchester or Fiocchi). I've been able to obtain one or two boxes from a vendor here and vendor there, etc. But I just noticed that Fiocchi .30 Luger is now available from 9+ vendors in both FMJ and soft nose. And the prices are less than 1/2 the Winchester prices which are $50+ if you can find Winchester.
I used AmmoSeek.com. Gunbot.com worked too.

Hope the helps us .30 Luger shooters
Joe

rhuff · 02-20-2014, 03:31 PM

Thanks for the update. I am sure that there are a number of forum members that will be pleased to be able to purchase some 30 luger ammo finally.

Sieger · 02-20-2014, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfm

Before changing/modifying your dies mic the bore of your gun. The majority of pre-WWII guns I've checked run more to .311 dia. then to .308. You might just need a larger dia. bullet to mitigate your reloading problems. And increase your accuracy at the same time.

My favorite .30 Luger is a 1970s Mauser Parabellum and it's barrel is spot on at .311 dia.

Hi,

The original groove diameter was, indeed, .311 per the DWM specs. Why DWM then went ahead and loaded bullets for the 7.65mm Luger of .307 diameter is still a mystery to me.

The same is true of the 9mm, it having a .358 groove and, typically, shooting .355 bullets.

I've used .311 bullets in my 7.65 Lugers for decades with no ill effects.

For handloading, obviously, match your expander button to the diameter bullet you will be loading. You may have to call your die manufacturer and order the appropriate one you need. They will have a full variety available for you to choose from.

Sieger

11-21-2012, 03:30 PM	#1
swampsavage User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Jackson County, GA Posts: 43 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	7.65 Parabellum Just back from a range session with my newly acquired 1906 AE. The Fiocchi 7.65 performed flawlessly. Sure beats using Winchester at more than twice the price. It's incredibly clean also. __________________ John

09-20-2013, 12:31 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Fiocchi Ammo: http://www.fiocchiusa.com/foa/CMS/Mainpage.aspx .30 Luger / 7.65 Parabellum details: http://www.fiocchiusa.com/foa/CMS/pr...6.aspx?id=4212 __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-21-2012, 05:23 PM	#2
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I, also, have been very pleased with the Fiocchi 92gr FMJ ammo. The brass is also excellent for reloading, as I reload for my handguns in 30 Luger caliber. I refuse to pay the price for Winchester ammo, as I shoot my 7.65 Para guns often, and quite an amount/session.

09-11-2013, 05:15 PM	#3
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	I tried several times to load for the 7.65. All without success. I could never get a cremp that would hold the bullet tight enough to keep it from pushing back into the cartridge. It sounds like these you are using are loaded by someone but I have not seen that name around here. Have a link to their web site?

09-12-2013, 05:58 PM	#4
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	As Rick has alluded to, if you were trying to load Hornady or Sierra 85gr jacketed bullets with .308 dia. and your expander ball was .307-.308in. you will get no neck tension and set back when the bullet strikes the feed ramp. Crimping heavily makes it worse!! You will need to decrease the diameter of the expander ball down to .303-.304in. to get good neck tension. I had ZERO luck trying to use Lee dies, and basically put them "somewhere else" rather than on my press. The 30 Luger round takes some "tuning" of the dies, but it can be done.

09-20-2013, 12:02 AM	#5
dfm User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 20 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Before changing/modifying your dies mic the bore of your gun. The majority of pre-WWII guns I've checked run more to .311 dia. then to .308. You might just need a larger dia. bullet to mitigate your reloading problems. And increase your accuracy at the same time. My favorite .30 Luger is a 1970s Mauser Parabellum and it's barrel is spot on at .311 dia.

02-19-2014, 05:47 PM	#7
jsnoy User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10 Thanks: 4 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	For the last three months I've been searching the web for any .30 cal Luger ammo either Winchester or Fiocchi). I've been able to obtain one or two boxes from a vendor here and vendor there, etc. But I just noticed that Fiocchi .30 Luger is now available from 9+ vendors in both FMJ and soft nose. And the prices are less than 1/2 the Winchester prices which are $50+ if you can find Winchester. I used AmmoSeek.com. Gunbot.com worked too. Hope the helps us .30 Luger shooters Joe

02-20-2014, 03:31 PM	#8
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	Thanks for the update. I am sure that there are a number of forum members that will be pleased to be able to purchase some 30 luger ammo finally.