1916/17 Navies - how large is your date? Data requested.

m1903a3 · 07-15-2014, 10:56 AM

I have posted this topic on the other Luger forum and received some good data, but I hope to find more here.

Sturgess (on page 639 of the Red Books) says that the Navy changed from their small 1.8mm size serial numbers on the barrel and front of the frame to the larger P.08 2.4mm size numbers mid way through the 1916 production.

However, the only 1916 he documented was a small number one. In my admittedly limited view I have seen no examples of 1916 P.04s with large numbers. I have, however, seen a couple of 1917's with small numbers, all under 1917 s/n 1000.

So, I would very much appreciate it if my fellow Navy lovers would contribute to the knowlege base by responding with the date (1916 or 1917), the serial number, and the size of the numbers (1.8 or 2.4) of any that fall in the range of 1916 #6187 - 1917 #1174. (Actually, all 1916/17 serial number sizes will be gratefully accepted.)

It would be nice to narrow down the range and also, perhaps, confirm that the switch occurred in 1917 not 1916.

Here are the ones currently identified.

1916 354 1.8
1916 978 1.8
1916 2243 1.8
1916 3257 1.8
1916 4064 1.8
1916 4135 1.8
1916 4623 1.8
1916 5527 1.8
1916 6187 1.8

1917 756 1.8
1917 898 1.8
1917 989 1.8
1917 1059 2.4
1917 1174 2.4
1917 3255 2.4
1917 5302 2.4
1917 5619 2.4
1917 6894 2.4
1917 8303 2.4
1917 648a 2.4
1917 3207a 2.4
1917 4015a 2.4

Thanks

DonVoigt · 08-13-2016, 10:16 PM

Mike,
I'm moving this back up, mostly to remind me to measure and check.
Maybe someone else will too.

skeeter4206 · 09-06-2016, 05:32 PM

1916 SN 723 - 1.8mm

Tman07 · 09-07-2016, 11:54 PM

1917, 8885 -2.4mm

DonVoigt · 09-08-2016, 12:09 AM

1916- 4656, definitely small, but I measure closer to 2.0.
1917 - 3015- large (2.4)

gunnertwo · 01-02-2017, 12:52 AM

I'll add my two:

1917 # 989 1.8 mm

1917 # 1059 a 2.4 mm

Tried to post images but the "manage attachments" button didn't work.

G2

G41M · 09-02-2022, 09:28 AM

DWM 6", 1916 S/N 2171, 1.8mm

Mac Cat · 09-02-2022, 11:18 AM

1916 DWM 4679 Navy P.04 150mm bbl, 9mm 1.8 mm
1917 DWM 390 “a” Navy P.04 150mm bbl, 9mm 2.4 mm

(edited)

LU1900 · 09-05-2022, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Cat

1916 DWM 4679 Navy P.06 150mm bbl, 9mm
1917 DWM 390 “a” Navy P.06 150mm bbl, 9mm

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What about size serial numbers
Thanks

Daniel76 · 10-25-2022, 11:28 AM

1917 police rework. 3671a 2.4mm

08-13-2016, 10:16 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Mike, I'm moving this back up, mostly to remind me to measure and check. Maybe someone else will too. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-07-2016, 11:54 PM	#4
Tman07 User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Washington Posts: 18 Thanks: 11 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	navy 1917, 8885 -2.4mm

09-08-2016, 12:09 AM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	1916- 4656, definitely small, but I measure closer to 2.0. 1917 - 3015- large (2.4) __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-02-2022, 09:28 AM	#7
G41M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Texas Posts: 35 Thanks: 83 Thanked 143 Times in 24 Posts	DWM 6", 1916 S/N 2171, 1.8mm Last edited by G41M; 09-05-2022 at 05:13 PM.

07-15-2014, 10:56 AM	#1
m1903a3 User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 198 Thanks: 26 Thanked 315 Times in 112 Posts	1916/17 Navies - how large is your date? Data requested. I have posted this topic on the other Luger forum and received some good data, but I hope to find more here. Sturgess (on page 639 of the Red Books) says that the Navy changed from their small 1.8mm size serial numbers on the barrel and front of the frame to the larger P.08 2.4mm size numbers mid way through the 1916 production. However, the only 1916 he documented was a small number one. In my admittedly limited view I have seen no examples of 1916 P.04s with large numbers. I have, however, seen a couple of 1917's with small numbers, all under 1917 s/n 1000. So, I would very much appreciate it if my fellow Navy lovers would contribute to the knowlege base by responding with the date (1916 or 1917), the serial number, and the size of the numbers (1.8 or 2.4) of any that fall in the range of 1916 #6187 - 1917 #1174. (Actually, all 1916/17 serial number sizes will be gratefully accepted.) It would be nice to narrow down the range and also, perhaps, confirm that the switch occurred in 1917 not 1916. Here are the ones currently identified. 1916 354 1.8 1916 978 1.8 1916 2243 1.8 1916 3257 1.8 1916 4064 1.8 1916 4135 1.8 1916 4623 1.8 1916 5527 1.8 1916 6187 1.8 1917 756 1.8 1917 898 1.8 1917 989 1.8 1917 1059 2.4 1917 1174 2.4 1917 3255 2.4 1917 5302 2.4 1917 5619 2.4 1917 6894 2.4 1917 8303 2.4 1917 648a 2.4 1917 3207a 2.4 1917 4015a 2.4 Thanks __________________ - Mike Life member: NRA, OVMS, VGCA Member: NAPCA, N-SSA(Veteran) Si vis pacem, para bellum Last edited by m1903a3; 11-16-2023 at 03:36 PM. Reason: new data

09-06-2016, 05:32 PM	#3
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	1916 SN 723 - 1.8mm

01-02-2017, 12:52 AM	#6
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	I'll add my two: 1917 # 989 1.8 mm 1917 # 1059 a 2.4 mm Tried to post images but the "manage attachments" button didn't work. G2

09-02-2022, 11:18 AM	#8
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 727 Thanks: 2,090 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	1916 DWM 4679 Navy P.04 150mm bbl, 9mm 1.8 mm 1917 DWM 390 “a” Navy P.04 150mm bbl, 9mm 2.4 mm (edited)

10-25-2022, 11:28 AM	#10
Daniel76 User Join Date: May 2021 Location: Texas Posts: 41 Thanks: 76 Thanked 116 Times in 30 Posts	1917 police rework. 3671a 2.4mm