Anyone knowledgeable in Garands?

LWaali · 11-30-2012, 12:55 AM

I have a Springfield Armory M1 Garand

serial 3193724 indicating oct-44 build

stock cartouches from '53-'57 but correct for springfield

originally purchased from CMP and probably service grade

without taking it apart and taking a bunch of pictures, is there a ball park value to use for selling? Looking at gb and other sites the price variance is ridiculous when there is no other unique factors on a specific rifle (not national match, not all matching, no rare inspector stamp etc)

It has been sitting in the safe for over a decade with annual oiling but no other activity.

I don't want to rob anyone but I don't want to give it away.

Suggestions?

Curly1 · 11-30-2012, 01:18 AM

Kinda hard to judge with out a least a couple of pics of both sides to see what the stock and finish condition is. Also do you have any idea as to the wear measurments of the muzzle and the chamber end?

Check out the CMP site also http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/m1garand.htm

M1 Garand, SA (Springfield) Service Grade
Please allow 30-60 days for delivery
*See above for grade description
$625 Effective 1-3-2012
S&H $24.95 per rifle

LWaali · 11-30-2012, 01:49 AM

I found the original CMP certificate and it is service grade and I did look up the price there but that is not very indicative of the sale value. I don't have a throat/muzzle gage but according to CMP guidelines they will gauge "3 or less" and the throat erosion will gauge less than 5. I know dad never fired it after getting it. I can try to get pics but am really not set up for it and doubt I will get good sun for some time (spring?). Stock is in used but good condition.. no deep gouges, no cracking or splintering, cartouches clear but worn. All wood appears to be walnut and not the later used birch. Barrel clean with no pitting or rusting and still a solid shine but not a 'new' shine. Parkerizing in 90%+ with minor colouring differances in parts indicitive of a re-arsenal which most M1's went through.

LWaali · 11-30-2012, 03:50 AM

more info:
circle P cartouch on the underside of the pistol grip
defense acceptance stamp (eagle and 3 stars in square) on left side of stock up from trigger guard
barrel markings D3544 8 32 - A - 77 - B - 2 on top 2 SA 5 44 on side
bolt numbers D28287-19SA over B-17 (bolt of more of a black colour then the typical grey of parkerization
all internal parts that had markings visible had an SA

padredan · 11-30-2012, 04:08 AM

without pictures it is really just a estimate range for a cmp sa service grade , but i have seen them sell in this range here for 550.00 to 750.00 but condition is everything , I bought one a few years back in nice condition for 600.00 if that will sorta give you an idea/

aptech77 · 11-30-2012, 11:16 AM

aight just got a 1943 Springfield Armory in very good service grade great condition....625$. So I'd srart there.

lew1 · 11-30-2012, 03:56 PM

I purchased from the CMP a Garand (SA) in the 6 million range which was delivered to me 3 weeks ago. I paid $675.00.

mrerick · 11-30-2012, 09:41 PM

Sounds like you have an almost matching Garand. This has to be determined part by part, and is generally indicated by drawing numbers stamped on the parts; dash revision numbers and unique characteristics of the parts supplied by Springfield versus Winchester.

The Barrel is the original, made in May, 1944.

The -19SA bolt is also correct. It was used on late 1944 through some post war production.

The circle "P" stock proof mark should be with serifs on a SA stock.

The Defense Acceptance Stamp eagle with three stars in a square box with rounded corners is associated with post war Springfield Garand rifles. This would not be correct for your rifle. At some point the rifle was re-stocked.

If you are qualified to purchase from the CMP you'd pay $700 for this rifle shipped to you in the USA.

If it's in good condition without significant finish wear and a decent shooter (which you should test) it should be worth $850 - $1000 on the open market.

Marc

LWaali · 12-01-2012, 12:37 AM

Thanks for the feedback.. I appreciate it. It confirmed what I had looked up. I needed a base range for the couple of people that are looking that do not qualify for CMP and the prices on GB were completely out of the ballpark to me. With dad falling fast I simply do not have the time to do the pics and full research. You truly are helping out mom, dad, and I.

All parts look in great condition with very little wear, solid finish, no rust or pitting and all look original. The stock is definitely service used but no glaring defects, breakages, gouges etc but not polished and shined by any means. I think I am going to throw $1k out with a few original bandoleers of ammo & clips to start and settle for $800 or so. Like I said, these folks don't qualify for CMP and I am well below the online auctions for honest description similar rifles.

11-30-2012, 12:55 AM	#1
LWaali User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 99 Thanks: 67 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Anyone knowledgeable in Garands? I have a Springfield Armory M1 Garand serial 3193724 indicating oct-44 build stock cartouches from '53-'57 but correct for springfield originally purchased from CMP and probably service grade without taking it apart and taking a bunch of pictures, is there a ball park value to use for selling? Looking at gb and other sites the price variance is ridiculous when there is no other unique factors on a specific rifle (not national match, not all matching, no rare inspector stamp etc) It has been sitting in the safe for over a decade with annual oiling but no other activity. I don't want to rob anyone but I don't want to give it away. Suggestions?

11-30-2012, 01:18 AM	#2
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 116 Thanked 708 Times in 369 Posts	Kinda hard to judge with out a least a couple of pics of both sides to see what the stock and finish condition is. Also do you have any idea as to the wear measurments of the muzzle and the chamber end? Check out the CMP site also http://www.thecmp.org/Sales/m1garand.htm M1 Garand, SA (Springfield) Service Grade Please allow 30-60 days for delivery *See above for grade description $625 Effective 1-3-2012 S&H $24.95 per rifle __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

11-30-2012, 04:08 AM	#5
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	without pictures it is really just a estimate range for a cmp sa service grade , but i have seen them sell in this range here for 550.00 to 750.00 but condition is everything , I bought one a few years back in nice condition for 600.00 if that will sorta give you an idea/ __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

11-30-2012, 03:56 PM	#7
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	I purchased from the CMP a Garand (SA) in the 6 million range which was delivered to me 3 weeks ago. I paid $675.00. __________________ charlie

11-30-2012, 09:41 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Sounds like you have an almost matching Garand. This has to be determined part by part, and is generally indicated by drawing numbers stamped on the parts; dash revision numbers and unique characteristics of the parts supplied by Springfield versus Winchester. The Barrel is the original, made in May, 1944. The -19SA bolt is also correct. It was used on late 1944 through some post war production. The circle "P" stock proof mark should be with serifs on a SA stock. The Defense Acceptance Stamp eagle with three stars in a square box with rounded corners is associated with post war Springfield Garand rifles. This would not be correct for your rifle. At some point the rifle was re-stocked. If you are qualified to purchase from the CMP you'd pay $700 for this rifle shipped to you in the USA. If it's in good condition without significant finish wear and a decent shooter (which you should test) it should be worth $850 - $1000 on the open market. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-30-2012, 01:49 AM	#3
LWaali User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 99 Thanks: 67 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	I found the original CMP certificate and it is service grade and I did look up the price there but that is not very indicative of the sale value. I don't have a throat/muzzle gage but according to CMP guidelines they will gauge "3 or less" and the throat erosion will gauge less than 5. I know dad never fired it after getting it. I can try to get pics but am really not set up for it and doubt I will get good sun for some time (spring?). Stock is in used but good condition.. no deep gouges, no cracking or splintering, cartouches clear but worn. All wood appears to be walnut and not the later used birch. Barrel clean with no pitting or rusting and still a solid shine but not a 'new' shine. Parkerizing in 90%+ with minor colouring differances in parts indicitive of a re-arsenal which most M1's went through.

11-30-2012, 03:50 AM	#4
LWaali User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 99 Thanks: 67 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	more info: circle P cartouch on the underside of the pistol grip defense acceptance stamp (eagle and 3 stars in square) on left side of stock up from trigger guard barrel markings D3544 8 32 - A - 77 - B - 2 on top 2 SA 5 44 on side bolt numbers D28287-19SA over B-17 (bolt of more of a black colour then the typical grey of parkerization all internal parts that had markings visible had an SA

11-30-2012, 11:16 AM	#6
aptech77 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 85 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	aight just got a 1943 Springfield Armory in very good service grade great condition....625$. So I'd srart there.

12-01-2012, 12:37 AM	#9
LWaali User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 99 Thanks: 67 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Thanks for the feedback.. I appreciate it. It confirmed what I had looked up. I needed a base range for the couple of people that are looking that do not qualify for CMP and the prices on GB were completely out of the ballpark to me. With dad falling fast I simply do not have the time to do the pics and full research. You truly are helping out mom, dad, and I. All parts look in great condition with very little wear, solid finish, no rust or pitting and all look original. The stock is definitely service used but no glaring defects, breakages, gouges etc but not polished and shined by any means. I think I am going to throw $1k out with a few original bandoleers of ammo & clips to start and settle for $800 or so. Like I said, these folks don't qualify for CMP and I am well below the online auctions for honest description similar rifles.