Value? DWM Commercial Army 1 of 450

tarhe · 09-24-2024, 08:50 PM

I have a 1913/14 DWM Commercial/ Army serial 69934. It's apparently one of 450 or so made. Jan Still had #69911 that I was interested in buying, but it sold immediately. Seeing his got me looking around to try to find a value and there simply haven't been any recent sales. So, how do I value mine? I see the recent Rock Island sales of some of Jan Still's collection. Collectibility, I assume, is based on scarcity. So his Commercial Krieghoff (1 of 200) with 2 matching mags fetched $38,188. Certainly a rarity and priced as such. Second highest was a 1 of 1500 Bulgarian 1906 at $22,325. In very high condition for pistols of that contract but in similar condition to my Commercial/ Army. A 1/1000 1900 American Eagle US Army test w/ holster sold for $18,800. And a 1902 Prussian Army test 1/50 sold for $16,450. An incredibly nice Commercial Krieghoff with 1 matching mag 1/200 sold for $12,925 and seemed a bargain compared to the similar one from the same series. A 1908 Bulgarian Luger 1/10,000 in lower condition sold for $5,288. I assume these numbers are without buyer premium or sales tax. Pics of mine:

HerrKaiser · 09-24-2024, 09:41 PM

Would need to see more pictures, but the import mark on the left side will be a detriment to value for many though.

Dwight Gruber · Yesterday, 10:46 PM

A reasonable valuation would be in the neighborhood of $4,5400. You would be lucky to get that if you tried to sell.

--Dwight

tarhe · Today, 12:12 PM

Thank you both for your replies.

Ron Wood · Today, 02:25 PM

I agree with Dwight...I have #69879 in the same configuration and markings as yours that I have placed a value of $4500 on it in my inventory.
Ron

P.S. HerrKaiser, what import mark? I don't see any. There are at least 3 variations of the C/X C/X C/X marked Lugers that were routed from commercial production to military use during the build up in armament during late 1913 to early 1914.

sdmark777 · Today, 02:34 PM

Ron, first pic, left frame, directly above take down lever, "GERMANY" is what I believe HerrKaiser is referring to. Need to enlarge pic to see it.

tarhe · Today, 02:42 PM

Thanks Ron. It is stamped "Germany". So is the 1915 holster.

Ron Wood · Today, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdmark777

Ron, first pic, left frame, directly above take down lever, "GERMANY" is what I believe HerrKaiser is referring to. Need to enlarge pic to see it.

Dang, got my left and right side mixed up. Thanks for the poke with a sharp stick, gotta keep more alert!

Ron

HerrKaiser · Today, 04:19 PM

Yes it was that Germany stamp that I was referring to. Unless I am mistaken and that one has a specific meaning on a gun like this one as a commercial military?

09-24-2024, 08:50 PM	#1
tarhe New User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Value? DWM Commercial Army 1 of 450 I have a 1913/14 DWM Commercial/ Army serial 69934. It's apparently one of 450 or so made. Jan Still had #69911 that I was interested in buying, but it sold immediately. Seeing his got me looking around to try to find a value and there simply haven't been any recent sales. So, how do I value mine? I see the recent Rock Island sales of some of Jan Still's collection. Collectibility, I assume, is based on scarcity. So his Commercial Krieghoff (1 of 200) with 2 matching mags fetched $38,188. Certainly a rarity and priced as such. Second highest was a 1 of 1500 Bulgarian 1906 at $22,325. In very high condition for pistols of that contract but in similar condition to my Commercial/ Army. A 1/1000 1900 American Eagle US Army test w/ holster sold for $18,800. And a 1902 Prussian Army test 1/50 sold for $16,450. An incredibly nice Commercial Krieghoff with 1 matching mag 1/200 sold for $12,925 and seemed a bargain compared to the similar one from the same series. A 1908 Bulgarian Luger 1/10,000 in lower condition sold for $5,288. I assume these numbers are without buyer premium or sales tax. Pics of mine: Attached Thumbnails

09-24-2024, 09:41 PM	#2
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 835 Thanks: 779 Thanked 847 Times in 404 Posts	Would need to see more pictures, but the import mark on the left side will be a detriment to value for many though. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

Today, 02:25 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,007 Thanks: 1,088 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	I agree with Dwight...I have #69879 in the same configuration and markings as yours that I have placed a value of $4500 on it in my inventory. Ron P.S. HerrKaiser, what import mark? I don't see any. There are at least 3 variations of the C/X C/X C/X marked Lugers that were routed from commercial production to military use during the build up in armament during late 1913 to early 1914. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

Today, 04:19 PM	#9
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 835 Thanks: 779 Thanked 847 Times in 404 Posts	Yes it was that Germany stamp that I was referring to. Unless I am mistaken and that one has a specific meaning on a gun like this one as a commercial military? __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

Yesterday, 10:46 PM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,894 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,288 Times in 426 Posts	A reasonable valuation would be in the neighborhood of $4,5400. You would be lucky to get that if you tried to sell. --Dwight

Today, 12:12 PM	#4
tarhe New User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you both for your replies.

Today, 02:34 PM	#6
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 287 Thanks: 683 Thanked 667 Times in 172 Posts	Ron, first pic, left frame, directly above take down lever, "GERMANY" is what I believe HerrKaiser is referring to. Need to enlarge pic to see it.

Today, 02:42 PM	#7
tarhe New User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks Ron. It is stamped "Germany". So is the 1915 holster.