confused... Father in laws Luger

Wicked Klown · 10-02-2011, 09:27 PM

Last night my father in law gave me his Luger to take to the range today. His dad got it when over seas during WWII, he was part of the Omaha beach landing. Well I came across this site last night when looking up the gun. Have to say so far I love and hate this site. I think I know where I'm going, see a new mark and get confused. The hate part comes from wanting to learn more about the pistol. The gun is made up from three different guns. Under the barrel are the numbers 2875 and the 75 is on most of the parts. However on the side plate is the number 42, then on the trigger guard the number 654. On the entire upper half of the gun is a crown with a n under it but on the right side of the Barrel Extension is a Waffen Amt proof. So was this a commerical pistol reworked to a military pistol? I'm also having issues figuring out what year it was made. I read that after 1910 they stamped the year it was made in to the pistol. This doesn't have anything like that. I also read the the crown over the n is the nitro proof used by the Weimar Republic, formed after the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm, following the capitulation of Germany to end WW1 (treaty of Versailles). This happened in 1918. I know that the rework by Mauser and Simmons happened 1930-1933. So as you can tell I am completely lost. Also the holster is a nice black leather with a 1914 stamped on the back as well as C. Weiss, off to the right side the is S.H. 920. From what I've read the 920 stamp wasn't used til WWII. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. If you need anything like photos, numbers and what not feel free to ask.

Edward Tinker · 10-02-2011, 09:43 PM

ok, I think by your not knowing you are getting confused (meant in a nice way)

I bet it is a 1920 or 1921 made gun (or a bit later) but for the commercial market (the crown N) but was taken into army service / possibly for the police (the S.H.920 is a police weapons number). but does the luger have any markings on it?

Some extra pictures, full left, full right and under the front of the frame is the serial
number and is there a letter under it?

Welcome to the forum!

Ed

Wicked Klown · 10-02-2011, 10:29 PM

There is a small letter the looks like a l maybe an i. As for getting confused it had to do with the crown as there is a lot of them and each mean something different. With bad eyesight makes it a little hard to see it. So I thought it was one then looked again was another then noticed it had an n under it.
Thanks for the welcome.

Wicked Klown · 10-02-2011, 11:28 PM

Here are the photos. The number in the last photo ia 654

Edward Tinker · 10-02-2011, 11:48 PM

Ok, you are correct, top and bottom are from two guns.

Not unknown, I have owned at least a couple of them (my brother owns one that I bought as my 2nd luger

)

The top half was just as I said above, crown N (commercial) and army accepted and the sear safety on the left shows it went into police service. No one can say why the bottom is different, likely was done by some US GI's cleaning guns together, but who knows?

The P08 on the left is a Mauser frame, so the bottom is newer than the top.

The army style army holster has the S.H. on the rear?

Ed

Norme · 10-02-2011, 11:55 PM

Hi Donald, That holster looks interesting and might be worth almost as much as the gun. Can you post more photos showing all markings, front , back, and inside the lid. I, too, would like to welcome you to the forum. Regards, Norm

Wicked Klown · 10-03-2011, 12:05 AM

Holster for your viewing pleasure

10-02-2011, 09:27 PM	#1
Wicked Klown New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	confused... Father in laws Luger Last night my father in law gave me his Luger to take to the range today. His dad got it when over seas during WWII, he was part of the Omaha beach landing. Well I came across this site last night when looking up the gun. Have to say so far I love and hate this site. I think I know where I'm going, see a new mark and get confused. The hate part comes from wanting to learn more about the pistol. The gun is made up from three different guns. Under the barrel are the numbers 2875 and the 75 is on most of the parts. However on the side plate is the number 42, then on the trigger guard the number 654. On the entire upper half of the gun is a crown with a n under it but on the right side of the Barrel Extension is a Waffen Amt proof. So was this a commerical pistol reworked to a military pistol? I'm also having issues figuring out what year it was made. I read that after 1910 they stamped the year it was made in to the pistol. This doesn't have anything like that. I also read the the crown over the n is the nitro proof used by the Weimar Republic, formed after the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm, following the capitulation of Germany to end WW1 (treaty of Versailles). This happened in 1918. I know that the rework by Mauser and Simmons happened 1930-1933. So as you can tell I am completely lost. Also the holster is a nice black leather with a 1914 stamped on the back as well as C. Weiss, off to the right side the is S.H. 920. From what I've read the 920 stamp wasn't used til WWII. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. If you need anything like photos, numbers and what not feel free to ask. Attached Thumbnails

10-02-2011, 09:43 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	ok, I think by your not knowing you are getting confused (meant in a nice way) I bet it is a 1920 or 1921 made gun (or a bit later) but for the commercial market (the crown N) but was taken into army service / possibly for the police (the S.H.920 is a police weapons number). but does the luger have any markings on it? Some extra pictures, full left, full right and under the front of the frame is the serial number and is there a letter under it? Welcome to the forum! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-02-2011, 11:28 PM	#4
Wicked Klown New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here are the photos. The number in the last photo ia 654 Attached Thumbnails

10-02-2011, 11:48 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	Ok, you are correct, top and bottom are from two guns. Not unknown, I have owned at least a couple of them (my brother owns one that I bought as my 2nd luger ) The top half was just as I said above, crown N (commercial) and army accepted and the sear safety on the left shows it went into police service. No one can say why the bottom is different, likely was done by some US GI's cleaning guns together, but who knows? The P08 on the left is a Mauser frame, so the bottom is newer than the top. The army style army holster has the S.H. on the rear? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-03-2011, 12:05 AM	#7
Wicked Klown New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Holster for your viewing pleasure Attached Thumbnails

10-02-2011, 10:29 PM	#3
Wicked Klown New User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is a small letter the looks like a l maybe an i. As for getting confused it had to do with the crown as there is a lot of them and each mean something different. With bad eyesight makes it a little hard to see it. So I thought it was one then looked again was another then noticed it had an n under it. Thanks for the welcome.

10-02-2011, 11:55 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Donald, That holster looks interesting and might be worth almost as much as the gun. Can you post more photos showing all markings, front , back, and inside the lid. I, too, would like to welcome you to the forum. Regards, Norm