Bavarian Cavalry P08

George Anderson · 06-02-2016, 04:06 PM

Almost all cavalry marked to Bavarian and Wuerttemberg regiments are 1908 first militaries. None of them I have encountered had added hold-opens. This one is marked to the 2nd Bavarian Ulan Regiment, 3. Eskadron. I acquired it some ten years ago with the help of my friend Dave Molchen.

George Anderson · 06-02-2016, 04:12 PM

Like the JzP pistol, I found a stable mate for the Bavarian last year. It's a bit of an odd ball as it's dated 1915 and marked to a Regimental staff. Bavarian 2 Ulan Regiment.

Norme · 06-02-2016, 06:03 PM

Great stuff George, I love that tschapka!
Best regards, Norm

skeeter4206 · 06-02-2016, 07:20 PM

Very nice!

Eugen · 06-02-2016, 07:38 PM

Well, George, this noob is throughly impressed with the marvelous items in your collection (even if I can't fully appreciate what I am looking at).

Edward Tinker · 06-02-2016, 07:42 PM

Really nice photography and great historical pieces

wayne8661 · 06-02-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Almost all cavalry marked to Bavarian and Wuerttemberg regiments are 1908 first militaries. None of them I have encountered had added hold-opens. This one is marked to Bavarian Ulan Regiment, 3. Eskadron. I acquired it some ten years ago with the help of my friend Dave Molchen.

George I have a 1910 8th Dragoon regiment Luger with a hold open installed. I could show you pictures if interested

George Anderson · 06-02-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wayne8661

George I have a 1910 8th Dragoon regiment Luger with a hold open installed. I could show you pictures if interested

Always glad to look at photos.

JTD · 06-02-2016, 10:02 PM

Nice group of Bavarian cavalry items Geo, See you really do need a horse,

lugerholsterrepair · 06-03-2016, 05:18 PM

Beautiful historical artifacts George, very impressive. These photo's are a real pleasure to look at and indicative of the sophisticated collector. These photo's are why WW1 German Militaria is so interesting compared to 3rd Reich. I appreciate both but the imperial era has real depth.

wayne8661 · 06-03-2016, 10:01 PM

George My Photography is not quite as good as your but here is the side by side of my field hospital with no hold open and the Dragoon with the hold open installed.

I hope i am not hijacking this thread I just love the 1908's with unit marks and am anxious to hear all that the masters have to teach.

Here is the thread link
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=29659

George Anderson · 06-04-2016, 08:25 AM

Thanks for the link Wayne. As I posted then, they are beauties.

Sieger · 06-04-2016, 09:54 AM

Hi,

No hold open device on a 1915?

Sieger

George Anderson · 06-04-2016, 10:15 AM

No hold-open on the 1908. All 1915 P08s have hold-opens.

cirelaw · 06-04-2016, 10:49 AM

Perfect photography, Tks! George, would you please explain the significance of a 'hold open' I have heard the term used for years but not sure its' significance~?

George Anderson · 06-04-2016, 11:52 AM

Eric, the hold-open lever is the internal part that holds the toggle back on an empty magazine. They were not installed at time of manufacture until 1913/14.

alanint · 06-04-2016, 11:54 AM

Eric,

That's the little lever on the right side of the inner frame that holds the toggle open after the last shot, or when racked with an empty magazine. They were added later to many early pistols, (around 1913?) and pistols that had the hold open added have a small proof next to the added pin on the outer right side of the pistol frame, above and behind the trigger.

Sergio Natali · 06-04-2016, 11:58 AM

Hold open levers were installed on Lugers around 1914 if I remember properly.

cirelaw · 06-04-2016, 01:43 PM

Here is a 1908 that I purchased from George that appears converted!

DonVoigt · 06-04-2016, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Hold open levers were installed on Lugers around 1914 if I remember properly.

1913 Was the transition year, some had the hold open from the factory some did not, some added later; by 1914 all were installed at the factory.

06-02-2016, 04:06 PM	#1
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Bavarian Cavalry P08 Almost all cavalry marked to Bavarian and Wuerttemberg regiments are 1908 first militaries. None of them I have encountered had added hold-opens. This one is marked to the 2nd Bavarian Ulan Regiment, 3. Eskadron. I acquired it some ten years ago with the help of my friend Dave Molchen. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by George Anderson; 11-20-2016 at 05:43 PM.

06-02-2016, 04:12 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Like the JzP pistol, I found a stable mate for the Bavarian last year. It's a bit of an odd ball as it's dated 1915 and marked to a Regimental staff. Bavarian 2 Ulan Regiment. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Edward Tinker; 06-03-2016 at 10:20 AM.

06-02-2016, 07:38 PM	#5
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 788 Thanks: 391 Thanked 630 Times in 333 Posts	Well, George, this noob is throughly impressed with the marvelous items in your collection (even if I can't fully appreciate what I am looking at). __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,922 Thanked 3,123 Times in 1,434 Posts	Beautiful historical artifacts George, very impressive. These photo's are a real pleasure to look at and indicative of the sophisticated collector. These photo's are why WW1 German Militaria is so interesting compared to 3rd Reich. I appreciate both but the imperial era has real depth. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Hold open levers were installed on Lugers around 1914 if I remember properly. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Great stuff George, I love that tschapka! Best regards, Norm

06-02-2016, 07:20 PM	#4
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Very nice!

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	Really nice photography and great historical pieces

06-02-2016, 10:02 PM	#9
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Nice group of Bavarian cavalry items Geo, See you really do need a horse,

06-03-2016, 10:01 PM	#11
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	George My Photography is not quite as good as your but here is the side by side of my field hospital with no hold open and the Dragoon with the hold open installed. I hope i am not hijacking this thread I just love the 1908's with unit marks and am anxious to hear all that the masters have to teach. Here is the thread link http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=29659

06-04-2016, 08:25 AM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Thanks for the link Wayne. As I posted then, they are beauties.

06-04-2016, 09:54 AM	#13
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Hi, No hold open device on a 1915? Sieger

06-04-2016, 10:15 AM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	No hold-open on the 1908. All 1915 P08s have hold-opens.

06-04-2016, 10:49 AM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Perfect photography, Tks! George, would you please explain the significance of a 'hold open' I have heard the term used for years but not sure its' significance~?

06-04-2016, 11:52 AM	#16
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Eric, the hold-open lever is the internal part that holds the toggle back on an empty magazine. They were not installed at time of manufacture until 1913/14.

06-04-2016, 11:54 AM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Eric, That's the little lever on the right side of the inner frame that holds the toggle open after the last shot, or when racked with an empty magazine. They were added later to many early pistols, (around 1913?) and pistols that had the hold open added have a small proof next to the added pin on the outer right side of the pistol frame, above and behind the trigger.

06-04-2016, 01:43 PM	#19
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here is a 1908 that I purchased from George that appears converted! Attached Thumbnails