Q; is 1943 Police Banners Holster are really rare?

Krakovski · 09-20-2024, 05:02 PM

Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

ithacaartist · Yesterday, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Krakovski

Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

I'll bet there are way more than three of these babies around! This is a reproduction--observe the warbly stitching when viewed from behind.

A holster guy will know more about whether the claims in the ad about the originals are substantiated.

Doubs · Yesterday, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Krakovski

Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

I may be wrong but that thing screams REPRODUCTION. I don't believe it's original.

wlyon · Yesterday, 11:08 AM

My vote is reproduction. Bill

Bill_in_VA · Yesterday, 02:11 PM

I'll add my vote as a fake, as well.

Krakovski · Yesterday, 06:57 PM

Said Original guaranteed...

Bill_in_VA · Yesterday, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Krakovski

Said Original guaranteed...

He must be right, then.

gunbugs · Yesterday, 07:33 PM

Sure it's original. Original what? Originally made in India?...
It's a "fake".

Krakovski · Yesterday, 07:39 PM

Said it is Original Guaranteed, and if it is original does it cost $1500?

lugerholsterrepair · Yesterday, 08:51 PM

Got to go against the grain here. This example has every characteristic of an original late Police holster. Fakers just don't pay close enough attention to details of construction that this holster has in spades. The studs. NO faker does these correctly. The short shape of the tool pouch top. Only Police holsters had these. The stitching is perfect where it's perfect and it was stitched along the edge with a chain stitch machine that left it raises, it's 1943 and Germany, especially Berlin was under extreme conditions. The white underside of the top. The correct slant of the loops. The slim profile of the magazine pouch. The correct stamp of the maker mark and date. The quality of the leather. This holster SCREAMS original to me. In 1943 it would not surprise me that this urban police holster saw little use and remains in great condition. Likely issued in Berlin..Take a look at the back bottom of the mag pouch..A VERY difficult area to stitch and NO fake holster gets this right. Perfect.
I can't say about rarity or price. Not my area of study. I do know construction though and this is no fake.

I have no connection to this holster or seller but he IS correct. It's original and made in 1943 IMO.

Doubs · Today, 12:32 AM

If Jerry says it's original then I'm willing to bet that it is. I stand corrected.

gunbugs · Today, 01:25 AM

As do I. I will defer to a far more expert opinion than my own.

jeb111 · Today, 09:36 AM

Wow, when I first looked at this holster I immediately thought reproduction but I have to defer to the holster expert. Unfortunately for the seller it will be a tough sell as mostly everyone will think it’s not original, unless of course they read this thread. Price is still high I think especially since it’s going to be mistaken for a repro almost every time.
Jim

ithacaartist · Today, 02:02 PM

Thanks for the scoop, Jerry! This was a tough one, and your verdict was certainly a surprise--to me, anyway. There's always something to learn.

lugerholsterrepair · Today, 02:35 PM

I only offer the reasons I think it's original. The experience of years of observations of both real and fakes. This example shows a dozen reasons why it's an original and I cannot find one reason it's a fake except what has been pointed out..nice condition. But even,m then..the leather is top quality and not something seen on reproductions.

Will it sell at such a price? I have no clue. Is it rare? Again..somebody knows but I do not.

I welcome dissenting opinions. If anyone has contrary thoughts, please present them.

sdmark777 · Today, 02:58 PM

I thought Police P08 holsters were stamped with the serial number of the issued Luger? Did this practice go away by 1943? or is this an unissued holster? I did not note a serial number on the referenced holster.

lugerholsterrepair · Today, 03:45 PM

I can't answer your questions with any accuracy but this holster shows no signs of ever having a pistol in it. To have a serial # it would have to have a pistol. It likely was never seen by a Police armorer..maybe even stored then captured?

09-20-2024, 05:02 PM	#1
Krakovski New User Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Q; is 1943 Police Banners Holster are really rare? Found this listing on GB... does really just 3 reported? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1067608411

Yesterday, 11:08 AM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,626 Thanks: 3,165 Thanked 2,545 Times in 950 Posts	My vote is reproduction. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

Yesterday, 02:11 PM	#5
Bill_in_VA User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 365 Thanks: 761 Thanked 541 Times in 193 Posts	I'll add my vote as a fake, as well. __________________ John 8:32 reive (riːv) vb (Military) (intr) dialect Scot and Northern English to go on a plundering raid [variant of reave] ˈreiver n e.g., " Some view the Border Reivers as loveable rogues."

Yesterday, 08:51 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,118 Times in 1,431 Posts	Got to go against the grain here. This example has every characteristic of an original late Police holster. Fakers just don't pay close enough attention to details of construction that this holster has in spades. The studs. NO faker does these correctly. The short shape of the tool pouch top. Only Police holsters had these. The stitching is perfect where it's perfect and it was stitched along the edge with a chain stitch machine that left it raises, it's 1943 and Germany, especially Berlin was under extreme conditions. The white underside of the top. The correct slant of the loops. The slim profile of the magazine pouch. The correct stamp of the maker mark and date. The quality of the leather. This holster SCREAMS original to me. In 1943 it would not surprise me that this urban police holster saw little use and remains in great condition. Likely issued in Berlin..Take a look at the back bottom of the mag pouch..A VERY difficult area to stitch and NO fake holster gets this right. Perfect. I can't say about rarity or price. Not my area of study. I do know construction though and this is no fake. I have no connection to this holster or seller but he IS correct. It's original and made in 1943 IMO. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

Today, 02:02 PM	#14
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,323 Thanks: 7,184 Thanked 2,537 Times in 1,350 Posts	Thanks for the scoop, Jerry! This was a tough one, and your verdict was certainly a surprise--to me, anyway. There's always something to learn. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

Yesterday, 06:57 PM	#6
Krakovski New User Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Said Original guaranteed...

Yesterday, 07:33 PM	#8
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 652 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,170 Times in 389 Posts	Sure it's original. Original what? Originally made in India?... It's a "fake".

Yesterday, 07:39 PM	#9
Krakovski New User Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Said it is Original Guaranteed, and if it is original does it cost $1500?

Today, 12:32 AM	#11
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,694 Thanks: 790 Thanked 1,675 Times in 550 Posts	If Jerry says it's original then I'm willing to bet that it is. I stand corrected.

Today, 01:25 AM	#12
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 652 Thanks: 356 Thanked 1,170 Times in 389 Posts	As do I. I will defer to a far more expert opinion than my own.

Today, 09:36 AM	#13
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 705 Thanked 330 Times in 133 Posts	Wow, when I first looked at this holster I immediately thought reproduction but I have to defer to the holster expert. Unfortunately for the seller it will be a tough sell as mostly everyone will think it’s not original, unless of course they read this thread. Price is still high I think especially since it’s going to be mistaken for a repro almost every time. Jim

Today, 02:35 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,118 Times in 1,431 Posts	I only offer the reasons I think it's original. The experience of years of observations of both real and fakes. This example shows a dozen reasons why it's an original and I cannot find one reason it's a fake except what has been pointed out..nice condition. But even,m then..the leather is top quality and not something seen on reproductions. Will it sell at such a price? I have no clue. Is it rare? Again..somebody knows but I do not. I welcome dissenting opinions. If anyone has contrary thoughts, please present them. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

Today, 02:58 PM	#16
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 286 Thanks: 680 Thanked 667 Times in 172 Posts	I thought Police P08 holsters were stamped with the serial number of the issued Luger? Did this practice go away by 1943? or is this an unissued holster? I did not note a serial number on the referenced holster.

Today, 03:45 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,766 Thanks: 4,883 Thanked 3,118 Times in 1,431 Posts	I can't answer your questions with any accuracy but this holster shows no signs of ever having a pistol in it. To have a serial # it would have to have a pistol. It likely was never seen by a Police armorer..maybe even stored then captured? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."