Early 7.65 ammo

kidvett · 10-11-2002, 06:49 PM

Hi everybody!

I had a very lucky opportunity to get 2 full boxes of that original 7.65mm ammo made in France for the PARABELLUM pistol.

I plan to display the ammo with some early LUGERS in upcoming gunshows.

I need info on the ammo......bullet is blackened FMC ( steel? ), date of manufacture?

HELP is appreciated [img]smile.gif[/img]

thanks

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

Herb · 10-11-2002, 09:19 PM

Stick a magnet on it, if it is steel it will attract it. Be careful with this stuff, some of it is armor piercing and is illegal to own without a C&R license, but that probably doesn't apply in your case, but still might be illegal in Maple Leaf country.

Imperial Arms · 10-11-2002, 09:56 PM

Hello Kidvett,

Congratulations on a fantastic find!! My best opinion is that the ammunition was produced in France for the 1903 (French) Commercial in caliber 7.65 mm (Lugers at Random, P86) or the 1906 French Marked Commercial (1900/06) (Lugers at Random, P106).

In addition, I would venture to say that the French ammunition could have been retailed in neighboring Switzerland for the 1900 Swiss Lugers or any Commercial Lugers firing the 7.65 mm cartridge in Europe. I have seen 1900 Commercial Lugers being retailed in catalogs as late as 1910.

I hope my opinion gives you some information on your ammunition.

Happy hunting,
Albert

Ron Wood · 10-14-2002, 10:38 PM

Kidvett,
Albert is right. A box of those sure would look good next to my 1903 French Commercial! [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 10-15-2002, 12:11 AM

Well, I have a box of 25 9 MM, picked them up in Nebraska a couple of months ago at a gun shop. They've been opened, and it is interesting to see the oxidation on the bullets.

Doubs · 10-15-2002, 12:24 AM

My guess is that the bullet jacket material is what's called cupro-nickle which was a common jacket material during the early part of the century and into WW2. I once had some surplus Japanese 6.5 ammo that had cupro-nickle jacketed bullets. IIRC, it wore bores more rapidly than later developed materials.

10-11-2002, 06:49 PM	#1
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Early 7.65 ammo Hi everybody! I had a very lucky opportunity to get 2 full boxes of that original 7.65mm ammo made in France for the PARABELLUM pistol. I plan to display the ammo with some early LUGERS in upcoming gunshows. I need info on the ammo......bullet is blackened FMC ( steel? ), date of manufacture? HELP is appreciated [img]smile.gif[/img] thanks kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

10-11-2002, 09:19 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Stick a magnet on it, if it is steel it will attract it. Be careful with this stuff, some of it is armor piercing and is illegal to own without a C&R license, but that probably doesn't apply in your case, but still might be illegal in Maple Leaf country. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

10-14-2002, 10:38 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Kidvett, Albert is right. A box of those sure would look good next to my 1903 French Commercial! [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-15-2002, 12:11 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Well, I have a box of 25 9 MM, picked them up in Nebraska a couple of months ago at a gun shop. They've been opened, and it is interesting to see the oxidation on the bullets. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-11-2002, 09:56 PM	#3
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Hello Kidvett, Congratulations on a fantastic find!! My best opinion is that the ammunition was produced in France for the 1903 (French) Commercial in caliber 7.65 mm (Lugers at Random, P86) or the 1906 French Marked Commercial (1900/06) (Lugers at Random, P106). In addition, I would venture to say that the French ammunition could have been retailed in neighboring Switzerland for the 1900 Swiss Lugers or any Commercial Lugers firing the 7.65 mm cartridge in Europe. I have seen 1900 Commercial Lugers being retailed in catalogs as late as 1910. I hope my opinion gives you some information on your ammunition. Happy hunting, Albert

10-15-2002, 12:24 AM	#6
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	My guess is that the bullet jacket material is what's called cupro-nickle which was a common jacket material during the early part of the century and into WW2. I once had some surplus Japanese 6.5 ammo that had cupro-nickle jacketed bullets. IIRC, it wore bores more rapidly than later developed materials.