Reproduction Lugers

Atte · 02-13-2004, 08:19 AM

I know that Stoeger and Mauser have made these repros lately but are there any other manufacturers that still do?

And if there still is someone manufacturing these beauties, how much do they cost?

Lugerdoc · 02-13-2004, 10:13 AM

Atte, Other than the Orimar stainless lugers, I know of no other firm currently making completely new lugers. You might want to check Haken Spur's Swedish website (see Forum vendor's section) for what he is currently doing to pre-existing lugers. TH

Atte · 02-13-2004, 12:59 PM

Thank You, Doc!

I will immediately visit this website you mentioned.

mauro · 02-13-2004, 03:54 PM

Atte,
please don't call Mauser Parabellum repros.

The Parabellum production ended in 1947 when French army destroyed the firm; Mauser "started again" the production in the 1970 up to 1986.
Mr. Weiss, at the period parabellum production responsible, saved the parabellum blue prints used during WWII.
In the 1970, Mauser engineers decided that these blue prints were not valuable without the 1940 tools. Mauser made a decision to buy the tools used by Swiss for their production.
This is why the first production is very close to the 1929 model.
A few years after (1973) they decided to change the design, more similar to the 1906 model.
In the meantime Mauser began a production of commemoratives models finalised to commemorate the most important models and contracts.
I hope this helps.
Ciao

John Sabato · 02-13-2004, 04:16 PM

Mauro, Do you know what happened to the blueprints that were saved by Herr Weiss? Are they now in someone's personal collection ? or a museum ? or were they destroyed ?

Atte · 02-13-2004, 05:21 PM

Sorry, I meant Stoeger, not Mauser when I was asking about repros.

I happen to have a post II world war Mauser myself, it`s serial number is 11.009989 and I presume that it has been manufactured in the 70`s.

Still I would like to know what is the average retail price for Orimar`s stainless steel model in USA.

Atte · 02-13-2004, 05:39 PM

Reason why I am asking this is because I am writing this question in Finland. I have not seen any of Orimar`s or Stoeger`s models " in live" except in pictures of gun magazines. This is the reason why I am not aware of their retail prices.

I would like to buy one but before that I got to know the price, dealer in Finland etc.

mauro · 02-13-2004, 06:05 PM

John,
you have been rising an interesting topic. Actually I don't know where the blue prints are. I know that in Oberndorf there is the Mauser museum and maybe also the blue prints are there.
I will try to better figure out this point.
Ciao
Mauro

Steve Richards · 02-13-2004, 09:03 PM

If you go to the Member Gallery on the left of the screen and go to page 5, there is a copy of what I believe is the current price list of ORIMAR for their new stainless steel guns. If you continue on to page 10 of the Member Gallery, there are a fairly large number of photos of an assortment of these guns.

G.T. · 02-14-2004, 12:47 AM

Hi Mauro! As long as your looking! If you see ANY prints on ANY P.08 magazine, please keep me in mind if a reprint is available or possible??? best to you Mauro! I have the 1913 tables... this is not the best print to work off of! til...lat'r...GT

Atte · 02-14-2004, 03:27 AM

Thank You, Mr. Richards, I found what I was looking for

Lugerdoc · 02-14-2004, 10:22 AM

Atte, If you are looking for a non-shooting full size repro, I have a metal one made in Japan available @$75. This could probably be imported almost any where, except maybe the UK, without any permits. TH

mauro · 02-14-2004, 05:07 PM

Hello G.T.
I have two Mauser 1940 blue prints where are described tools for doing some parts of the P08 (I guess the chamber).
You can see these blue prints at page 85 of my book.
Ciao
MAuro

Atte · 02-15-2004, 06:20 AM

Lugerdoc, thanks for your offer but I am trying to get a Navy Parabellum Ormar/Aimco replica from Usa to the IWA exhibition in Germany next month.

My gundealer visits this exhibition and, if everything goes right, brings this beauty to me.

Licences here in Finland are not a problem. Our gun legislation is stricker than yours, but if you are a member of a shooting club, you will get licences easily.

Thanks anyway.

Lugerdoc · 02-15-2004, 11:36 AM

Atte, I once sent an original Naval rear sight to Aimco for possible reproduction for their "Navy model" but this proved too complex/expensive to do so their 6" currently only has the standard PO8 fixed rear sight. TH.

Vlim · 02-15-2004, 02:48 PM

Atte,

Is that the exhibition in Kassel?
Let me know how your efforts in getting a 'fresh' Orimar luger to Europe are going. I've tried to contact Orimar for European deliveries several times, but had no luck.

Atte · 02-15-2004, 02:50 PM

That was new to me.

Still, even if it is not a realistic replica, I think it`s worth of trouble. I`m buying it to replace my old ones as a shooting gun.

Steve Richards · 02-16-2004, 02:02 AM

Atte,

I have one of the 6 inch "Navy" stainless steel guns. It is very accurate. If you could find a good rear sight to put on one it would help. All that I did to mine was use a small round file to change the "V" shaped notch to a rounded "U" shape. This greatly helped to make sighting easier.

Let us know if you do get to buy one in Europe. You might be the first!

Atte · 02-16-2004, 02:07 AM

To mr. G.van Vlimmeren;

I don`t know the exact place for IWA exhibition because my dealer is going there. I found a web page by using google that was dated 6 years ago, had prices in DM and the name of the store seemed to be scandinavian. If my dealer won`t success with his efforts, I will try to contact this store. Hopefully it still excists.

I will tell the e-mail address of this store to you later today.

Atte · 02-16-2004, 02:45 AM

To mr. Richards;

Thank You for Your advice.

Well, at least I`m determined and stubborn enough to get one of these beauties, don`t know whether I am lucky enough. This day will clarify many things, I try to take contact to couple of European importers who, according to roomers, have been selling these Lugers 5-6 years ago.

I have send direct e-mail to Orimar, haven`t got answer yet due to time difference.

02-13-2004, 08:19 AM	#1
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Reproduction Lugers I know that Stoeger and Mauser have made these repros lately but are there any other manufacturers that still do? And if there still is someone manufacturing these beauties, how much do they cost?

02-13-2004, 10:13 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Atte, Other than the Orimar stainless lugers, I know of no other firm currently making completely new lugers. You might want to check Haken Spur's Swedish website (see Forum vendor's section) for what he is currently doing to pre-existing lugers. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-13-2004, 03:54 PM	#4
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Atte, please don't call Mauser Parabellum repros. The Parabellum production ended in 1947 when French army destroyed the firm; Mauser "started again" the production in the 1970 up to 1986. Mr. Weiss, at the period parabellum production responsible, saved the parabellum blue prints used during WWII. In the 1970, Mauser engineers decided that these blue prints were not valuable without the 1940 tools. Mauser made a decision to buy the tools used by Swiss for their production. This is why the first production is very close to the 1929 model. A few years after (1973) they decided to change the design, more similar to the 1906 model. In the meantime Mauser began a production of commemoratives models finalised to commemorate the most important models and contracts. I hope this helps. Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

02-13-2004, 04:16 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Mauro, Do you know what happened to the blueprints that were saved by Herr Weiss? Are they now in someone's personal collection ? or a museum ? or were they destroyed ? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-13-2004, 06:05 PM	#8
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	John, you have been rising an interesting topic. Actually I don't know where the blue prints are. I know that in Oberndorf there is the Mauser museum and maybe also the blue prints are there. I will try to better figure out this point. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

02-13-2004, 12:59 PM	#3
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank You, Doc! I will immediately visit this website you mentioned.

02-13-2004, 05:21 PM	#6
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry, I meant Stoeger, not Mauser when I was asking about repros. I happen to have a post II world war Mauser myself, it`s serial number is 11.009989 and I presume that it has been manufactured in the 70`s. Still I would like to know what is the average retail price for Orimar`s stainless steel model in USA.

02-13-2004, 05:39 PM	#7
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Reason why I am asking this is because I am writing this question in Finland. I have not seen any of Orimar`s or Stoeger`s models " in live" except in pictures of gun magazines. This is the reason why I am not aware of their retail prices. I would like to buy one but before that I got to know the price, dealer in Finland etc.

02-13-2004, 09:03 PM	#9
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you go to the Member Gallery on the left of the screen and go to page 5, there is a copy of what I believe is the current price list of ORIMAR for their new stainless steel guns. If you continue on to page 10 of the Member Gallery, there are a fairly large number of photos of an assortment of these guns.

02-14-2004, 12:47 AM	#10
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Hi Mauro! As long as your looking! If you see ANY prints on ANY P.08 magazine, please keep me in mind if a reprint is available or possible??? best to you Mauro! I have the 1913 tables... this is not the best print to work off of! til...lat'r...GT

02-14-2004, 03:27 AM	#11
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank You, Mr. Richards, I found what I was looking for

02-14-2004, 10:22 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Atte, If you are looking for a non-shooting full size repro, I have a metal one made in Japan available @$75. This could probably be imported almost any where, except maybe the UK, without any permits. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-14-2004, 05:07 PM	#13
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello G.T. I have two Mauser 1940 blue prints where are described tools for doing some parts of the P08 (I guess the chamber). You can see these blue prints at page 85 of my book. Ciao MAuro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

02-15-2004, 06:20 AM	#14
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugerdoc, thanks for your offer but I am trying to get a Navy Parabellum Ormar/Aimco replica from Usa to the IWA exhibition in Germany next month. My gundealer visits this exhibition and, if everything goes right, brings this beauty to me. Licences here in Finland are not a problem. Our gun legislation is stricker than yours, but if you are a member of a shooting club, you will get licences easily. Thanks anyway.

02-15-2004, 11:36 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Atte, I once sent an original Naval rear sight to Aimco for possible reproduction for their "Navy model" but this proved too complex/expensive to do so their 6" currently only has the standard PO8 fixed rear sight. TH. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-15-2004, 02:48 PM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,045 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,939 Times in 1,196 Posts	Atte, Is that the exhibition in Kassel? Let me know how your efforts in getting a 'fresh' Orimar luger to Europe are going. I've tried to contact Orimar for European deliveries several times, but had no luck.

02-15-2004, 02:50 PM	#17
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That was new to me. Still, even if it is not a realistic replica, I think it`s worth of trouble. I`m buying it to replace my old ones as a shooting gun.

02-16-2004, 02:02 AM	#18
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Atte, I have one of the 6 inch "Navy" stainless steel guns. It is very accurate. If you could find a good rear sight to put on one it would help. All that I did to mine was use a small round file to change the "V" shaped notch to a rounded "U" shape. This greatly helped to make sighting easier. Let us know if you do get to buy one in Europe. You might be the first!

02-16-2004, 02:07 AM	#19
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To mr. G.van Vlimmeren; I don`t know the exact place for IWA exhibition because my dealer is going there. I found a web page by using google that was dated 6 years ago, had prices in DM and the name of the store seemed to be scandinavian. If my dealer won`t success with his efforts, I will try to contact this store. Hopefully it still excists. I will tell the e-mail address of this store to you later today.

02-16-2004, 02:45 AM	#20
Atte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Finland, hometown:Oulu Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To mr. Richards; Thank You for Your advice. Well, at least I`m determined and stubborn enough to get one of these beauties, don`t know whether I am lucky enough. This day will clarify many things, I try to take contact to couple of European importers who, according to roomers, have been selling these Lugers 5-6 years ago. I have send direct e-mail to Orimar, haven`t got answer yet due to time difference.