Unit Markings On P08s

cirelaw · 12-14-2018, 10:17 AM

Are there any that are more rare or valuable? Eric~

DonVoigt · 12-14-2018, 01:22 PM

For sure.
Any that I have are rare and more valuable.

Seriously,
there are not a lot of unit marked artillery lugers, and they always attract attention.
Some markings would be scarce or rarer than others, however, the value is always in the eye of the buyer or seller.

cirelaw · 12-14-2018, 04:06 PM

TKS I have a 169th Baden artillery and matching board from George. My research was truly exciting~http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm

cirelaw · 12-14-2018, 04:41 PM

Photographs and postcards of the Baden 169th Infantry~ https://www.flickr.com/photos/die_10...7640039032454/

Ron Wood · 12-14-2018, 06:05 PM

I am sure there are units for which there are few surviving examples of Lugers marked to that unit, but whether that makes them more rare or valuable is hard to say. As Don indicated it pretty much depends on the desires of the owner/buyer. For instance, I have a Garde Grenadier marked First Issue Luger that I have never seen another, but I am not sure that makes it particularly rare or valuable.

cirelaw · 12-14-2018, 06:37 PM

It does to me~You restore their own identity from all those countless unmarked graves~

mrerick · 12-15-2018, 10:14 AM

The rarest unit mark I have ever seen on a Luger was one marked by the Imperial Kaiser's personal guard - the Gardes du Corps.

That mark certainly would command a premium in my view... See below for a post with pictures of this extraordinary piece of history!

cirelaw · 12-15-2018, 10:52 AM

Heres Jan on regimental markings thread~ interesting~ http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-command-staff

JTD · 12-15-2018, 08:12 PM

Here is a very uncommon one to share with the group. Sturmbattallion 8 Machinegun company weapon 5

JTD · 12-15-2018, 08:27 PM

East African colony protection troops

DavidJayUden · 12-15-2018, 08:29 PM

Ever watch "Shout At The Devil" with Lee Marvin and Roger Moore? Takes place in German East Africa.
dju

MikeP · 12-16-2018, 12:55 AM

I remember in the late 50s and early 60s, some collectors turned up their noses at unit markings. I always liked them.

HerrKaiser · 12-16-2018, 01:14 AM

I agree with Eric, I think it’s adds character to the piece and who doesn’t like having a little more information about the history of their gun(s)?

JTD · 12-17-2018, 06:57 AM

I believe this is the one Marc mentioned above.

1910 DWM #3003c unit marked G.d.C.L.8. Garde du Corps Leib Eskadron Waffe # 8
It is all matching except mag. Hold open has been added.

The Garde du Corps were considered the top elite of the Cavalry units, a virtual whos who of top imperial royal families. They were the personal body guard of the Kaiser, and his family. A very happy addition to our cavalry unit mark collection. John/ Mike

JTD · 12-17-2018, 07:00 AM

Ron, I am one of those that think your 08 first issue is a Killer. John

DavidJayUden · 12-17-2018, 08:25 AM

I've always shied away from paying more for a Luger with a "special" marking, but that one would be an exception...
dju

DonVoigt · 12-17-2018, 08:39 AM

Some interesting ones:
-109 R (Baden) Grenadier Machine gun company
-Reichsheer Reiter Regiment(?)
-Reserve Infantry Regiment 65
-Third Telegraph Batallion
-Luftschiffer (?) 7
-Infantry Regiment 443
-With three unit markings, two cancelled, final to 98 Regiment
-Artillery luger 254 Regiment
-Artillery with Weimar markings to ? , not sure about this one

Comments welcome.

JTD · 12-17-2018, 08:47 AM

Don, I believe it is pioneer regiment, company 1 ,weapon 46 John

Ron Wood · 12-17-2018, 09:24 AM

Don, neat set of "story book" Lugers!
Ron

cirelaw · 12-17-2018, 09:30 AM

When were the applied and by whom? Were there established rules or regulations for application? Standards?

12-14-2018, 10:17 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Unit Markings On P08s Are there any that are more rare or valuable? Eric~

12-14-2018, 01:22 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	For sure. Any that I have are rare and more valuable. Seriously, there are not a lot of unit marked artillery lugers, and they always attract attention. Some markings would be scarce or rarer than others, however, the value is always in the eye of the buyer or seller. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

12-14-2018, 06:05 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I am sure there are units for which there are few surviving examples of Lugers marked to that unit, but whether that makes them more rare or valuable is hard to say. As Don indicated it pretty much depends on the desires of the owner/buyer. For instance, I have a Garde Grenadier marked First Issue Luger that I have never seen another, but I am not sure that makes it particularly rare or valuable. Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-15-2018, 10:14 AM	#7
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The rarest unit mark I have ever seen on a Luger was one marked by the Imperial Kaiser's personal guard - the Gardes du Corps. That mark certainly would command a premium in my view... See below for a post with pictures of this extraordinary piece of history! __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war. Last edited by mrerick; 12-17-2018 at 09:46 AM.

12-15-2018, 08:12 PM	#9
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 215 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Here is a very uncommon one to share with the group. Sturmbattallion 8 Machinegun company weapon 5 Attached Thumbnails

12-14-2018, 04:06 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	TKS I have a 169th Baden artillery and matching board from George. My research was truly exciting~http://www.pals.org.uk/ir169_e1.htm Attached Thumbnails

12-14-2018, 04:41 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Photographs and postcards of the Baden 169th Infantry~ https://www.flickr.com/photos/die_10...7640039032454/

12-14-2018, 06:37 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It does to me~You restore their own identity from all those countless unmarked graves~

12-15-2018, 10:52 AM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Heres Jan on regimental markings thread~ interesting~ http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-command-staff

12-15-2018, 08:27 PM	#10
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 215 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	East African colony protection troops Attached Thumbnails

12-15-2018, 08:29 PM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Ever watch "Shout At The Devil" with Lee Marvin and Roger Moore? Takes place in German East Africa. dju

12-16-2018, 12:55 AM	#12
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I remember in the late 50s and early 60s, some collectors turned up their noses at unit markings. I always liked them.

12-16-2018, 01:14 AM	#13
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 805 Thanks: 753 Thanked 801 Times in 379 Posts	I agree with Eric, I think it’s adds character to the piece and who doesn’t like having a little more information about the history of their gun(s)? __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

12-17-2018, 06:57 AM	#14
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 215 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	I believe this is the one Marc mentioned above. 1910 DWM #3003c unit marked G.d.C.L.8. Garde du Corps Leib Eskadron Waffe # 8 It is all matching except mag. Hold open has been added. The Garde du Corps were considered the top elite of the Cavalry units, a virtual whos who of top imperial royal families. They were the personal body guard of the Kaiser, and his family. A very happy addition to our cavalry unit mark collection. John/ Mike Attached Thumbnails

12-17-2018, 07:00 AM	#15
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 215 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Ron, I am one of those that think your 08 first issue is a Killer. John

12-17-2018, 08:25 AM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I've always shied away from paying more for a Luger with a "special" marking, but that one would be an exception... dju

12-17-2018, 08:39 AM	#17
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Some interesting ones: -109 R (Baden) Grenadier Machine gun company -Reichsheer Reiter Regiment(?) -Reserve Infantry Regiment 65 -Third Telegraph Batallion -Luftschiffer (?) 7 -Infantry Regiment 443 -With three unit markings, two cancelled, final to 98 Regiment -Artillery luger 254 Regiment -Artillery with Weimar markings to ? , not sure about this one Comments welcome. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

12-17-2018, 08:47 AM	#18
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 215 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Don, I believe it is pioneer regiment, company 1 ,weapon 46 John

12-17-2018, 09:24 AM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Don, neat set of "story book" Lugers! Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-17-2018, 09:30 AM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	When were the applied and by whom? Were there established rules or regulations for application? Standards?