Dum Question?

Don · 09-27-2002, 01:55 PM

I'm relatively new to Lugers and obviously very ignorant about Navies, because I keep wondering, why did the Kriegsmarine issue pistols at all? In other words, what possible use were they, other than ceremonial or a badge of rank? I may just be displaying my own ignorance, but I'm wondering what good a pistol would have done in a naval engagement. Pistols are for close quarter combat. Thanks.

John Sabato · 09-27-2002, 02:27 PM

Don,

No question is a dumb question if you don't know the answer.

In this case, if you reflect about it for a moment, just think about various forms of guard duty, personal protection security, payroll security, not to mention boarding parties...both participating in them and repelling them... they serve the same purpose that they serve on land... AND as a deterrent against mutiny by a disloyal or disrepectful crew on the high seas...

Don · 09-27-2002, 04:41 PM

John,

Ah ha! Thanks.

Ron Wood · 09-27-2002, 04:54 PM

I think a lot of the Kriegsmarine Lugers were used by the "Matrosen" or Marines and machine gun crews, as well as torpedo boat and submarine crews where long arms were not practical. The P04 was also issued to Officers, staff and support personnel such as stretcher bearers, torpedomen, carpenters, and signal personnel.

Jan C Still · 09-27-2002, 06:41 PM

Heinz · 09-27-2002, 09:52 PM

In addition to the previous comments, Navy ships have a function known as "shore parties" These are groups sent ashore for various reasons such as unloading combat supplies, scouting or establishing a remote observation post, or just making the imperial presence evident. In the US Navy the "Blue Jackets Manual" for 1940 (my father's) has a part 6 devoted to the naval landing force and under 'Rudimentary Seamanship and Gunnery" there ia a chapter on carrying the BAR and the submachine gun (literally just covers carrying)and a chapter on small arms covering the use and care for the 03 rifle and the 1911 Colt .45. So naval use of small arms in the early 20th century was fairly wide spread.

Lugerdoc · 09-28-2002, 11:24 AM

One other uses of small arms (ie Rifles) by the Navy that hasn't been mentioned. Mine disposal. When I was a midshipman at Purdue, I took a summer cruise on an MSO (Ocean going mine sweeper) and found that once the cables had been cut holding the old contact mines to the bottom, they floated to the surface, where they were then exploded by small arms fire. Tom H.

09-27-2002, 01:55 PM	#1
Don User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dum Question? I'm relatively new to Lugers and obviously very ignorant about Navies, because I keep wondering, why did the Kriegsmarine issue pistols at all? In other words, what possible use were they, other than ceremonial or a badge of rank? I may just be displaying my own ignorance, but I'm wondering what good a pistol would have done in a naval engagement. Pistols are for close quarter combat. Thanks.

09-27-2002, 02:27 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Don, No question is a dumb question if you don't know the answer. In this case, if you reflect about it for a moment, just think about various forms of guard duty, personal protection security, payroll security, not to mention boarding parties...both participating in them and repelling them... they serve the same purpose that they serve on land... AND as a deterrent against mutiny by a disloyal or disrepectful crew on the high seas... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,020 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,174 Times in 1,701 Posts	I think a lot of the Kriegsmarine Lugers were used by the "Matrosen" or Marines and machine gun crews, as well as torpedo boat and submarine crews where long arms were not practical. The P04 was also issued to Officers, staff and support personnel such as stretcher bearers, torpedomen, carpenters, and signal personnel. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	One other uses of small arms (ie Rifles) by the Navy that hasn't been mentioned. Mine disposal. When I was a midshipman at Purdue, I took a summer cruise on an MSO (Ocean going mine sweeper) and found that once the cables had been cut holding the old contact mines to the bottom, they floated to the surface, where they were then exploded by small arms fire. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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Don User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John, Ah ha! Thanks.

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Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	In addition to the previous comments, Navy ships have a function known as "shore parties" These are groups sent ashore for various reasons such as unloading combat supplies, scouting or establishing a remote observation post, or just making the imperial presence evident. In the US Navy the "Blue Jackets Manual" for 1940 (my father's) has a part 6 devoted to the naval landing force and under 'Rudimentary Seamanship and Gunnery" there ia a chapter on carrying the BAR and the submachine gun (literally just covers carrying)and a chapter on small arms covering the use and care for the 03 rifle and the 1911 Colt .45. So naval use of small arms in the early 20th century was fairly wide spread.