German holster questions

thegundude · 03-29-2005, 08:53 PM

I picked up several holster from a friend, the details of which are unimportant. Suffice it to say that after a friend passed away, his widow bequeathed to me four holsters, three of which are marked. I need some help in identifying them, so anyone with holster experience, please chime right in.

They are as follows:

A holster marked "Criese Berlin 1961/7"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...961-7front.jpg

One marked "Wunderlich Berlin 1963"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...n1963front.jpg

And another one marked "Paul Seineck Berlin 1937"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...r1937front.jpg

Any help in history and value would be greatly appreciated.

Ron Smith · 03-29-2005, 10:47 PM

Hi Steve, The first two are West German P.38/P.1 police holsters. The second is a later variation of a WWII P.38 style soft shell The third is a not familiar to me. Possibly a foreign contract holster , for an Astra 400/600? Kind of a neat old flap holster.

Ron

thegundude · 03-30-2005, 09:55 AM

Thanks Ron. That's kind of what I was thinking about the first two, but if the third isn't for a Luger, it was used that way for a long time. It has markings that match up perfectly to my '39 42 code.

I was kind of hoping it was some sort of original '37 Luger holster, which would end my search for an appropriate holster for my only Luger..... I guess I'll keep looking.

I have a furth holster that has clearly been used to carry a Luger, once again I refer to the wear marks, but it is unmarked and undated. Should I assume that this one isn't original or valuable?

Also, speaking of value, what would you suppose these might be worth? I don't own any P-38s (and have no plans to buy one anytime soon) so I might sell them and give the widow the monies..... Any rough value ideas?

Ron Smith · 03-30-2005, 10:56 AM

Steve,
The P.38 holster softshell may be in the $25-$50 range at the most. The late dropping holsters are very common, and don't hold much interest. Maybe $15- $20. The other holster could be a commercial Luger holster of some type, or private purchase.
What is the mark under the "1937"? Post a photo with the flap up, and of the back of the holster also. Is there a tool pouch under the flap? I can see some stitching on the top front.

Ron

thegundude · 03-30-2005, 01:35 PM

The rest of the photos are at home Ron. I'll have to do it tonight. My camera is so-so for close-up shots, so I may have to draw that mark out for you to see. I'll check into it tonight.

Thanks for all the info.... :-)

thegundude · 03-31-2005, 06:05 PM

Okay Ron, here we go...

Inside of holster:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...1937inside.jpg

Back of holster:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...er1937back.jpg

And this is as good as I could do for a closeup of that mark...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...termarking.jpg

Ron Smith · 03-31-2005, 07:08 PM

Steve, Is it an Eagle? If so, is it clutching a Swaztika? Does your Luger fit in it correctly? Or is it loose?

thegundude · 04-01-2005, 09:29 AM

Ron, I swear it's too small to see. I've put the thing under a lighted magnifying glass and I still can't make out the image. It wasn't set very well the first time, or so it seems.

One thing I might try, sitting here thinking about it, is to run it through PhotoShop and see if I can enhance the image somehow. Let me work on it.

It fits pretty well into the holster. It certainly isn't loose. And the indentations say it's held a Luger for many years, if not since it was made.

I'll see if I can't get a better image of that mark.

thegundude · 04-01-2005, 05:41 PM

Ron, yes it is an eagle and I think I see the faint traces of a swastika.

Is that good or bad? :-P

There is no pouch for a tool though, which can't be good.

Ron Smith · 04-04-2005, 10:48 PM

Steve,
I can't say that it is good or bad. The Swaztika adds mystic to it. As long as it's not a fake stamp. Some of these boosters are stamping Huggies disposable diapers with waffenamts to make a buck.
It does'nt look like a Luger holster. I'm at a loss on it. I would'nt suspect it to be a fake stamp. Considering the way it's applied. Boosters usually try to make them look too "protocol" or "PC". This does'nt have that appearance.

Ron

thegundude · 04-05-2005, 10:17 AM

Thanks for the input Ron. I guess it's worth more than what I paid for it..... which is nothing.... :-P

I appreciate your time and information Ron.

03-29-2005, 08:53 PM	#1
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	German holster questions I picked up several holster from a friend, the details of which are unimportant. Suffice it to say that after a friend passed away, his widow bequeathed to me four holsters, three of which are marked. I need some help in identifying them, so anyone with holster experience, please chime right in. They are as follows: A holster marked "Criese Berlin 1961/7" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...961-7front.jpg One marked "Wunderlich Berlin 1963" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...n1963front.jpg And another one marked "Paul Seineck Berlin 1937" http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...r1937front.jpg Any help in history and value would be greatly appreciated. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

03-29-2005, 10:47 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Steve, The first two are West German P.38/P.1 police holsters. The second is a later variation of a WWII P.38 style soft shell The third is a not familiar to me. Possibly a foreign contract holster , for an Astra 400/600? Kind of a neat old flap holster. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-30-2005, 09:55 AM	#3
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks Ron. That's kind of what I was thinking about the first two, but if the third isn't for a Luger, it was used that way for a long time. It has markings that match up perfectly to my '39 42 code. I was kind of hoping it was some sort of original '37 Luger holster, which would end my search for an appropriate holster for my only Luger..... I guess I'll keep looking. I have a furth holster that has clearly been used to carry a Luger, once again I refer to the wear marks, but it is unmarked and undated. Should I assume that this one isn't original or valuable? Also, speaking of value, what would you suppose these might be worth? I don't own any P-38s (and have no plans to buy one anytime soon) so I might sell them and give the widow the monies..... Any rough value ideas? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

03-30-2005, 10:56 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Steve, The P.38 holster softshell may be in the $25-$50 range at the most. The late dropping holsters are very common, and don't hold much interest. Maybe $15- $20. The other holster could be a commercial Luger holster of some type, or private purchase. What is the mark under the "1937"? Post a photo with the flap up, and of the back of the holster also. Is there a tool pouch under the flap? I can see some stitching on the top front. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-30-2005, 01:35 PM	#5
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	The rest of the photos are at home Ron. I'll have to do it tonight. My camera is so-so for close-up shots, so I may have to draw that mark out for you to see. I'll check into it tonight. Thanks for all the info.... :-) __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

03-31-2005, 06:05 PM	#6
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Okay Ron, here we go... Inside of holster: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...1937inside.jpg Back of holster: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...er1937back.jpg And this is as good as I could do for a closeup of that mark... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...termarking.jpg __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

03-31-2005, 07:08 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Steve, Is it an Eagle? If so, is it clutching a Swaztika? Does your Luger fit in it correctly? Or is it loose? __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-01-2005, 09:29 AM	#8
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Ron, I swear it's too small to see. I've put the thing under a lighted magnifying glass and I still can't make out the image. It wasn't set very well the first time, or so it seems. One thing I might try, sitting here thinking about it, is to run it through PhotoShop and see if I can enhance the image somehow. Let me work on it. It fits pretty well into the holster. It certainly isn't loose. And the indentations say it's held a Luger for many years, if not since it was made. I'll see if I can't get a better image of that mark. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-01-2005, 05:41 PM	#9
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Ron, yes it is an eagle and I think I see the faint traces of a swastika. Is that good or bad? :-P There is no pouch for a tool though, which can't be good. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

04-04-2005, 10:48 PM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Steve, I can't say that it is good or bad. The Swaztika adds mystic to it. As long as it's not a fake stamp. Some of these boosters are stamping Huggies disposable diapers with waffenamts to make a buck. It does'nt look like a Luger holster. I'm at a loss on it. I would'nt suspect it to be a fake stamp. Considering the way it's applied. Boosters usually try to make them look too "protocol" or "PC". This does'nt have that appearance. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-05-2005, 10:17 AM	#11
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks for the input Ron. I guess it's worth more than what I paid for it..... which is nothing.... :-P I appreciate your time and information Ron. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve